Why would Biden want to be POTUS anyway??

Think about it. He's no spring chicken. He's paid his dues in life and can certainly do without the aggravation.

He would be inheriting a splintered country, more divided than ever before (but Trump is still nominated for a [cough, gag] Nobel Peace Prize).

He would be inheriting a country where Trump took all the credit for some of the groundwork by the Obama administration to get the economy headed in the right direction (economy lag time... economic indicators... and all that... if anyone cares to look).

And NOW... probably poised for some inevitable consequences of some Trump bonehead moves that may have THEIR effect on the economy sometime during the coming year.

Trump would NOT ride quietly off into the sunset. He'd remain on the sidelines, now as a disgruntled former President.... criticizing Biden the minute the guy put his feet on the bedroom floor every morning in the White House. Undermining every single decision made by Biden, and egging on his angry supporters to do the same. He would make life miserable for Biden, but now not just as a blowhard pest of a man who just won't go away... but as a former President, with all the power that unfortunately comes with it.

Trump would openly gloat over Biden's (and by extension the country's) misfortunes... and anyone who cares to dispute that statement seriously needs a reality check.

So all things considered..... why in HELL would anyone, especially a soon-to-be 78 year old man, want to be POTUS??

I asked myself the same question in 2016 about Donald Trump. This guy is a multi-billionaire with his own hotels and casinos and resorts and golf courses all over the world so why the hell would he want to run for president? So yes I can ask the same thing about Joe Biden who's eight years older than Trump was in 2016. Doesn't make any sense to me

I'm 56 right now and all I want to do once this pandemic is over is work part-time and take care of my health and travel. I would not be wanting to go back to Manhattan right now or Brooklyn and take a job in a financial company and work my ass off at 56 years old even if they paid me $2,000 a week

So I can't imagine what it must feel like at the age of 78 if it already feels like this at 56

Who would want to see their 78-year-old face smeared by the media everyday with articles about skin cancer and strokes and dementia and all the other stuff you know they have ready coming for Biden

Or maybe these people are all laughing in their sleeves and the joke is on the people who are watching this charade

For Trump it was one more trophy on the mantle. Shit named after me... check. My own reality TV show... check. Former model wife... check. Becoming President... check.

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So true.........AND........

he can really market his ass off as ex-Prez with all kinds of appearances and business deals and connexions he's making now around the world (Saudi, etc.) I bet the whole fucking thing about Trump running was to just boost his income and his kids' incomes.

If he gave a fuck about Americans, he wouldve declared a mask mandate in March, like EVERY OTHER FUCKING COUNTRY ON EARTH. But oh no, Americans have to be different, defiant, muh freedom, etc.... and Trump just egged that on, he just encouraged that bullshit, never to this day saying people MUST wear a mask.

What a piece of shit. Thats why America now has 7, 500,000 cases and 211,000 deaths. No country on Earth even comes close.

Must be tired of being a two time 2nd place POTUS ;D. I'd honestly throw my enthusiasm and full commitment behind a bowl of apple cinnamon oatmeal before I completely lined up for Biden. But Trump no longer even makes the table so. Tis is the system we're in

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Must be tired of being a two time 2nd place POTUS ;D. I'd honestly throw my enthusiasm and full commitment behind a bowl of apple cinnamon oatmeal before I completely lined up for Biden. But Trump no longer even makes the table so. Tis is the system we're in

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With syrup? ;) Tons of breakfast references lately, you must really have an appetite. I couldnt ever vote for Biden. Its not possible. He's like a Weetabix thats been in warm milk for 40 minutes. (ha! another breakfast ref)

Obama dropped more bombs than Bush and go the Peace Prize.
He dropped more than 26000 in ONE year alone!!!
When he took power the US was in 2 wars. While in power he got involved in 5 more.
He caused a Genocide in Yemen and completely destroyed the most prosperous country in Africa - Libya.
He's a war criminal.

Now, what's Trump done that's made him less deserving?

Ok..... here we go again.

The ol' "Well, Obama was worse" line of defense. ;D

I seriously need to pre-program the following response, so I don't have to type it out all the time... just press a button and done.


Anything Obama may or may not have done doesn't change the facts about Trump. Obama is no longer President. Trump is. If it were Obama under discussion, we'd discuss Obama. But it's not.

I guess it was for good reason that "It's Obama's fault" memes came out shortly after Trump took office. It quickly became the main "go-to" for Trump... and has been the slogan of Trumpers ever since.


So the logic here being... if I may presume... that even though Trump has encouraged and fueled the most divisive U.S. in recent history, including all the violence that has come with it... even though Trump's racist and exclusionist rhetoric has driven nut jobs to commit mass murders... Trump still deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because (cough) they gave it to Obama??

:vd:

I just want to make sure I understand that logic because to me... it's just perpetuating the trashing of the award to the point that it's as worthless as Canelo's Franchise Champion belt.

You might as well pay $50 at a trophy shop and have a Nobel Peace Prize made out to your name.

But hey..... whatever floats your boat.

I definitely did not see in any way shape or form how Obama should have received that prize. THAT was perhaps the biggest joke I have seen in many many years regarding that well respected award that used to mean something.

But as far as Trump getting awarded the prize that is just about as big of a joke to me and I don't see how Obama's undeserved Nobel Peace prize in any way makes an argument for going ahead and awarding Trump that same prize

Donald Trump is friends with Saudi Arabia and turkey.... Just based off that alone how can he get the Nobel Peace prize?

I think Spicoli nailed it with the always the bridesmaid never the bride thing. You do not have to be for Biden to see the massive hypocrisy of Trump. Just like you would not have had to have made excuses for Dronebama to criticize Trump.

At this point though if you still defending Trump in the US or Johnson in the UK, you are supporting the most blatantly corrupt, dishonest and traitorous leaders ever to lead each country.

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I definitely did not see in any way shape or form how Obama should have received that prize. THAT was perhaps the biggest joke I have seen in many many years regarding that well respected award that used to mean something.

But as far as Trump getting awarded the prize that is just about as big of a joke to me and I don't see how Obama's undeserved Nobel Peace prize in any way makes an argument for going ahead and awarding Trump that same prize

Donald Trump is friends with Saudi Arabia and turkey.... Just based off that alone how can he get the Nobel Peace prize?

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Obama's award was widely criticized, and justly so. But the tired old argument of "well if so-and-so did it so can I" is childish at best. You don't continue to tarnish what to begin with is a fuzzy award with less than clear criteria and subject to political influences.

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I think Spicoli nailed it with the always the bridesmaid never the bride thing. You do not have to be for Biden to see the massive hypocrisy of Trump. Just like you would not have had to have made excuses for Dronebama to criticize Trump.

At this point though if you still defending Trump in the US or Johnson in the UK, you are supporting the most blatantly corrupt, dishonest and traitorous leaders ever to lead each country.

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And of the two it's actually Trump looking to bypass a 33 year old missile technology control agreement between 34 Nations in order to propel Northrop Grumman Corp arms into new and previously suspect markets. The guy tears up arms control agreements like they were unwanted bills. The Military industrial Complex has a new bestest buddy in Trump. Sure he thought the Colonies took the British airports in 1776 :cwm13: and that we still had M4 Shermans 'rolling off the line' but you get the point. A drone for you, a drone for me, everyone gets a drone :clap:.

His hatred of Iran is a tell-tale sign that Iran isnt with the program. Iran is no different, no more evil, than Saudi or Turkey or Syria. All the political bullshit about "state sponsors of terrorism" is just that: bullshit. Saudi and Turkey both have sponsored terrorism yet they are not on the black list. Saudi nor Turkey have paid any price for anything they have done wrong. Trump loves them, he thinks Erdogan is just great. Erdogan, who has arrested more journalists than ANYBODY, is just fine by Trump. Never mind Turkey was buying ISIS oil on the black market, never mind Turkey was killing Kurds who were American allies.

Never fucking mind you see, it's IRAN who is the evil one. Yes, it must be IRAN. Gee, any hard feelings there ya think from 1979? America is pissed off IRAN still exists, the Military-Industrial Complex and Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney gave Saddam Hussein every fucking weapon he wanted in order to take out the Ayatollahs in Iran. But it was a stalemate and Iran and Iraq called a truce of sorts in 1988. Then the US decided it was wise to take out Saddam as he knew too much and he possessed too much. So now take a look at Iraq, what the cunts did to that country and their ancient ZIGGURATS, etc.

But Iran is still there like a thorn in America's side. America always has a thorn in its fucking side. So much so that they have military bases in 179 countries around the world.

YOu tell me who is the evil empire.

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Ok..... here we go again.

The ol' "Well, Obama was worse" line of defense. ;D

I seriously need to pre-program the following response, so I don't have to type it out all the time... just press a button and done.


Anything Obama may or may not have done doesn't change the facts about Trump. Obama is no longer President. Trump is. If it were Obama under discussion, we'd discuss Obama. But it's not.

I guess it was for good reason that "It's Obama's fault" memes came out shortly after Trump took office. It quickly became the main "go-to" for Trump... and has been the slogan of Trumpers ever since.


So the logic here being... if I may presume... that even though Trump has encouraged and fueled the most divisive U.S. in recent history, including all the violence that has come with it... even though Trump's racist and exclusionist rhetoric has driven nut jobs to commit mass murders... Trump still deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because (cough) they gave it to Obama??

:vd:

I just want to make sure I understand that logic because to me... it's just perpetuating the trashing of the award to the point that it's as worthless as Canelo's Franchise Champion belt.

You might as well pay $50 at a trophy shop and have a Nobel Peace Prize made out to your name.

But hey..... whatever floats your boat.

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Just demonstrating that the award obviously has fuck all to do with peace.
And that Obama (as well as Trump) was a terrible president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWuEn...aC5SewrQY8Yrvg

gotta say despite probably deserving 1 or 2 points deducted for fouls by the ref, Trump still won that debate, I scored it 117-112 (115-112 with 2 points deducted for interrupting like a 2 year old until you wanted to smack him)

I see Biden wanting it as a legacy. To say he was in the lineage of World leaders.

On the Obama-peace prize- The world, not Democrats alone saw him as saving the planet from the previous administration that put the earth's top nations & the Middle East in a war against an ideology, terrorism. They saw it as a change from a country that saturated world markets with CDOs, ruining stock markets, placing America at the brink of a great depression- they bought his slogan; Change you can believe in.
The audacity to Hope

"Obama's victory is ... evidence that Bush's policies have failed. Americans have no option but to change their policies to save themselves from the quagmire Bush has created for them."
Gholam Ali Haddad-Adel Iran.

Obama's "extraordinary journey to the White House will inspire people not only in your country but also around the world"."
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.


José Manuel Barroso, Nicolas Sarkozy, Gordon Brown to name a few offered either words of hope, praise and or unity to work with the incoming prez.. How fucked up of a bang-up job did Dubya II did that brought such hopes for the new president?:) I think I know!:o He F'd up so bad... that the incoming Democrat was offered a Novel Peace Prize for what he had yet to accomplish. That doesn't reflect IMO that he wasn't deserving (AS MUCH) as it reflects of what the committee that issues the prize thought about change of administration from Washington D.C.'s Oval Office. Thank the Lord!! Republicans are out!!:rolleyes:

However I understand his dilemma: If he doesn't continue the war on terror, then he is labeled weak on terror. (just revisit conservative media 2007- up to the election.) Hell, revisit the threads here in 2007!!
But once he takes over leadership and shows how to rain down bombs, :angryxo4:missiles drones & taking out the man responsible for 9/11, well now he is a murderer.:11fb8:

Again, the run up to 2008 he was called weak on terror, true?:confused: What does that mean then?
So doing the math:
If a Democrat gets elected, they will be weak on the war on terror. BUT! If they prove otherwise, then it means they are hawkish.
But when Republicans kill the enemy that means they are patriotic & keeping America safe. Just look at how proud they were to kill an Iranian in Iraq, that was justice at its finest.

This thread was my question for Obama.
Why would he want this position when he witnessed as a Senator the divisive nature of the American legislative branch that was so polarized, the new minority Republican House/Senate in 2006 - broke their own record for most filibusters in American history. These clowns were so divisive, so anti-bipartisan, that when Obama tried to approve of Republican backed bills....they did a 180 & voted against...their own legislation. G-Damn, thats pitiful!:eek:
So a Kenyan negro with a name that rhymes with Osama could solve such a debacle?:confused:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-trump-214498

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen...structure-plan
Senate GOP Blocks Obama's $60 Billion Infrastructure Plan
They offered no alternative- look at that FOX link- see how they are smiling.

10 ideas Republicans loved until Barack Obama became President
https://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/...president.html

“A lot of us woke up every morning thinking about how to kick Obama, who could say the harshest thing about Obama on the air,”
If Biden wins, he will NOT receive what Bush Jr. did for the incoming Democrat: A Pledge for a peaceful transition. But he will get everything else President Obama got: obstruction to death. Filibustered to death. Denied a record number of judicial picks. No up or down votes.

'"The campaign is over and we move forward as one nation."
"There are some things that will not change. The United States will remain vigilant in meeting its most important responsibility; protecting the American people. AND THE WORLD CAN BE CERTAIN THIS COMMITTMENT WILL REMAIN STEADFAST UNDER OUR NEXT COMMANDER IN CHIEF"
--President George Bush Jr, outgoing speech."


https://youtu.be/9m5wfNgN9wo

In other words, I saw President Obama in a no-win situation, just as with V.P Biden- if we wins.
Had Obama NOT dropped drones. Not oversaw the decision to take out Bin laden. What would republicans have said?:-\ Libya wasn't loved by conservatives. Yet as soon as Obama followed his masters (whoever runs USA), well he just gave reign to crooked Hillary who didn't support the war on terror because she loves her country. She did it because she is hawkish.:mad: I expect the same if Biden wins.:eek:

Biden wins? Every Donnie Darko supporter with their head up his arse that remained silent for (4) years on this hilarious out of control debt, will YELL::action: You're SPENDING us over a fiscal cliff on day one.
Sleepy Joe becomes Prez, on Day One- You better stop covid!!:mad: "cause it wasn't Don's responsibility. & we never said it was a hoax, that's fake news telling you that. Our people are dying of Covid. DO SOMETHING DAMN DEMOCRAT!:mad:

We know we said Russia was cool...under Donnie, but not U!:rolleyes: So ya just gonna let Putin run all over America?:eek:
So what Jung Un popped test missiles off one after another. Jeez, get a grip. Didnt Donnie tell you!:mad: Kim Jung Won't 'Break His Promise'
https://time.com/5583275/trump-kim-j...-weapons-test/
And stop whining, yeah yeah, Fannie Mae & Freddie did a deal with Kushner for $500-$800 million dollars
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/stre.../23/id/904004/
So whatya gonna do 'bout your crony son & his 50k job..cronyism at its worst! :mad:

If he wins, I predict he will be the 1st prez to die on the job of a heart attack. Not because of his elderly condition, but that coupled with the hatefest his detractors will bring the ultimate hate-lefty scorched earth policy.

And I concur with the general consensus. That was the most sickening debate I've ever witnessed. I refused to watch it all, just pathetic for the world to see these are our 2 best options.:eek:





Nothing short of humiliating.

Why didn't Trump condemn the Proud Boys?

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https://youtu.be/fxZdkyHkbDQ

My answer is no reason to. None of his supporters find racism in whites. its black people. Disagree? Search on your site here sir an see what you get when the word racist pops up.

https://youtu.be/7mwFN121t8o

They are celebrating today over Donnie Darko's "Who are they" question. His voters don't give a damn they replied, Standing Down and Standing by Sir

https://youtu.be/Q-TBE7EwSTs

And the mainstream media didnt deride the manchild sitting in office; THEY DERIDED BOTH. Called it the worst debate in the history of this nation.


A hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a trainwreck.
states one of many liberal news cast

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Every major media outlet was disappointed.

But wanna know what FOX headlines are telling their viewers this morning?
https://www.foxnews.com/

Headline #1.
Biden used ‘illusion of reasonableness’ at debate: Tucker

Headline #2
Former first lady suggests Trump’s debate performance was deliberate
(yeah ask her, cause this implies she and she alone thinks that...:mad:.

Headline #3
Accused Kenosha shooter plans to sue Biden, campaign for libel

headline #4
LIVE UPDATES: 2020 presidential election heats up after first debate
(again mainstream media called it a disgrace a dumpster fire, but if one prefers FOX, well it was a heated debate nothing more).:(

Their top video pick
Why won't Joe Biden answer court-packing questions?

That's why people who support him see things the way they do. They see what they want to see. And I would expect from some to point out the one 1/2 breed mulatto looking dude as a reason to say, they can't be racists. Like they mind him shooting at his own people, probably laughing at his ass behind his back with the marching order....now if he shoot one of ours...

When I see the Pboys lone half-colored token in front, I think of the Sergeant from A Soldier's Story


https://youtu.be/Q-TBE7EwSTs



There's a few in every generation that hate their own, tolerate those not theirs. Willing to kill their own. For a chance to live with those who don't want to live with them


https://youtu.be/hyavxrsP2-Y

Óne more!;D

I can't envision Biden winning.
The hatemongering POTUS spent 4 years claiming a fixed election would occur. Conditioning his servant voters. Question how can Democrats fix/rig it? So the entire United States Postal Services is made up of left wing zealots? No reason to set up a system on how ballots are sent out, just wait till November 4th & holler fix! Rigged.

Another reason I can't see him winning is that central city polling sites in predominately minority areas were closed, I repeat this & will continue to. Where is the just Republican to speak on this? Not in their part of town, so who cares.
His followers don't care that the United Postal Service had the ability to shut down mail sorters. If Democrats couldn't stop that, how the hell do they setup random mailings to anyone?
How do his worshippers just accept this as truth?

In essence, this is anyone's election considering that Republicans are in the lead when it comes to winning the Presidency without the majority of the people, rather the electoral college.
His fans don't care that he has clamored on how he may be dependent on the courts to save him.


He takes no responsibility for seeing to it that the American people can have some confidence that he has taken charge to ensure a fair election, all he has to do is whine, bitch & cry, holler not whimper. His idea is not proactive, but reactive. Use his personal army to attend polls. The kind that the hateful right claimed Obama was going to do with MS13 & BLM.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/house-...itary-portland

Trump using 'personal military' in Portland, 'not the intent of DHS,' House Armed Services chairman says per FOX news

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...gernaut-221543

Inside Trump's 'privatized mercenary force; The security team that patrols the billionaire's rallies has a history of rough tactics, allegations of profiling

https://www.thedailybeast.com/11-pri...g-donald-trump
11 Private Security Firms Guarding Donald Trump

His demons, ghouls, goblins, bigots, racists, worshippers, supremacists, militants, & part-time Christians don't give a gosh darn that the President Of The United States isn't using our tax dollars to be protected by the best in the World: United States Military.
They're ok with him paying the likes of Bo Dietl, a former NYPD detectives private investigative firm called Bo Dietl & Associates to protect him. Why is that acceptable?:-\

We now know this because the hiring of private muscle was NOT cost effective. FEC filings show substantial and recurring payments to the likes of Matthew Calamari---yeah sounds like something out of the Sopranos, or better yet; a dictator.
From Xmark to ASIT Consulting LLC, --this firm of yet another ( former) this being FBI Donald Albracht, was said to have pocketed $27,245 for protection during the campaign.

He needs no federal workers, poll workers commissioned to do the job because he has convinced his worshippers there is none good but him. The Art of the Deceiver.
PBoys, Standby!:lyle::badass:

They have been conditioned to allow this. From Alex J, to Drudge to name a few; they spent 8 years claiming Obama & Democrats hire MS13 to kill people..
https://youtu.be/oL83wK1nFeA

Alex confirmed this get this! From CIA sources-law enforcement even the Army. All of them combined cant do anything about it. Just tell Alex and he'll tell the people. Better yet:D elect a bankrupt draft & tax dodging artist & he will protect the people, well not them, tell them to fend for themselves But he will hire his own staff...why not? If Álex J proved the army couldnt stop Democrats from using MS13 to kill innocent Americans, then why go armed services to protect the POTUS?:confused: Call the Good ole'boys thats who!;D

In America a significant sized audience have been conditioned for it.
But if somehow the American people stand up. They will shed each other's blood because the right is armed, angry and ready.
The left is infiltrated, disorganized and aint gonna know who is on whose side.
Contrary to the lies Drumpf fans eat up-aint no damn Black Lives Matter army. Aint no details, no ranks, no platoons, squads, snipers, none of that shit. Its random people from various walks of life be it celebrities, single moms, civil rights rejects, they have no knowledge on what is about to hit them. Most of them still dont know they are perceived as a terrorist group. Hell, they aint got no damn cable to watch CNN, MSNBC- shit I know! Spectrum aint turning their shit on, because they still owe Time Warner cable, damn!!

Biden wins....there will be some shooting of people & If the moderate Republicans get involved, the chance for civil war is imminent. plus they know how to fight their brethren's fight. & Too many whites are unwilling to concede the presidency to an African American Woman should she take the chair in Joe Biden's absence.
civil unrest occurred in/around 1776, it is around the corner. Hate on both sides run way too deep.

Perfect storm for complete societal collapse.

Race war, civil war, martial law, world war.

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Perfect storm for complete societal collapse.

Race war, civil war, martial law, world war.

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Then why won't you leave? Can't take your food stamps with you?

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Perfect storm for complete societal collapse.

Race war, civil war, martial law, world war.

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Then why won't you leave? Can't take your food stamps with you?

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Very presumptuous of you. Not on food stamps and never was and don't think I will ever need to be hopefully. I haven't said anything to you since you've started posting again, but here you go now at me with the food stamps.

Just shows who on the personal level at least, always starts to stir the s*** first.

However I will not return any comments on that personal level.

I keep reading that Trump won the debate.

Well... I guess it all boils down to the definition of "won."

If by "won" you mean.......

• Bullying a lot better than the other guy
• Blatantly ignoring the rules of the debate
• Lying through your teeth on every single goddamn issue
• Refusing to unite... but rather continue to divide
• In general acting like the low-life human being he's always proven himself to be

Then yeah......... I guess he "won" the debate.

Tito, you have precisely crystallized the problem in American politics and society at Large. A "win" isn't really a win anymore.

Nothing really is what it used to be anymore.

It's all just a cheap facsimile, a copy of a copy of a copy, of what used to be reality.

So you still think Trump won?

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Mehhh, well,..... I guess we have to try to pick a winner, I mean "winner"......

I agree with you that it is a piss-poor analogy to compare the debate to a boxing match.....

But I went ahead sarcastically and scored it like a fight as this is a boxing form and I thought it would be cool to view it through that lens.....

I had it 117-112, but I deducted two points from Trump for repeated fouls after being warned incessantly.

I guess I'd score it about 115-112...

I mean there were a few times the ref was close to disqualifying Trump, and probably should have in a way.... But as he is the president I can't imagine the optics of Chris Wallace cutting off Trump's microphone or saying please leave the stage you are disqualified.

The only reason I give the edge to Trump and that debate was because he did not stutter like Biden did on several occasions. Biden also looks down too much at his hands, while Trump is quite vigorous and animated, so I guess just on appearances is really.

like I said it's hard to call it a winner in the traditional sense of what a winner is. But if we absolutely have to call a winner, then based off that flimsy difference, I have to say that Biden made himself look a little bit worse than Trump made himself look.

Said but I guess that's the criteria.

I like the meme making the rounds on Facebook about Samuel L. Jackson being the next debate moderator. ;D

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What is there to condemn?

There must be something otherwise he would not have been asked.

Joe Biden needs to state his positions CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY.

The time to pit Dem against Dem was back when they were choosing a candidate. The extreme left LOST... and along with it the ideas of free Medicare for every single American, the defunding of the police, etc, etc.

Now it's time to pit Biden against Trump.

Biden, the moderate Democrat with more centrist views (WHICH HE HAS MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT CLEAR ENOUGH)... against a bullying, "backed-in-a-corner" alley cat Trump who will pull out all the stops to remain in the WH.

By "all the stops" I mean bully his way through debates... rally his supporters to disrupt the election process and create havoc (again... visions of that Nobel Peace Prize presentation invade my mind)... blatantly LIE about the COVID fiasco much of it his own doing... etc, etc, etc.

I wish instead of Biden it were a more youthful, energetic candidate. Think Buttigieg WITHOUT the obvious baggage that would at this time make him a liability.

But Biden it is.

Trump supporters will rip open any and all blunders, gaffes, stutters, and the like... in order to bring him down and get Trump re-elected.



Maybe Trump SHOULD win.

Bring the whole fabric of society and democracy crashing down around everyone's ears.

At least that way Biden won't be blamed.


Again..... Why would Biden want to be POTUS anyway??

Trump will win. Barring any catastrophic developments between now and election day

Cannot see Biden winning anything

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There must be something otherwise he would not have been asked.

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When you come to the realization that you don't always have to accept the premise of the mainstream media THEN my friend and ONLY THEN can you start to understand what they are trying to pull on you.


I used to implicitly trust the news, I mean why would they lie to you? Right? What could they gain by lying to you? If you trust them and trust them completely why you won't even have to think for yourself or judge for yourself you could just take their word for it..... right?


Now you don't have to trust someone like Alex Jones either, but if you looked at the "news" the way people look at Alex Jones what would it hurt? What would it hurt if you were dubious of the news? What would it hurt if you merely questioned the premise every once in a while?


THINK FOR YOURSELF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4magsQqFZqM


White Supremacists???? Demanding that a black woman has a space to preach? That add up to you man? Doesn't add up to me

Let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes has been quoted on numerous occasions throughout the years with controversial remarks on violence, race, anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim, sexism, and more. He's obviously not a choir boy and no one should mistake his group as the Boy Scouts of America. While McInnes himself may not be totally responsible for the violence attributed to Proud Boys, specific racist assholes like Jason Kessler have taken the opportunity to spread the hate and violence while calling himself a Proud Boys member.

At the same time I've seen interviews with Proud Boys members and honestly feel that not everyone associated with that group is a racist White Supremacist. McInnes himself apparently tried to distance himself and the group from other extremist, violent hate groups... but IMO it's a case of too little too late. Once the perception is there, it's tough to get rid of it.

On the other hand, nobody is mistaking Antifa for a bunch of Boy Scouts either. In fact, Antifa is being investigated by the FBI because is always the case... it's an example of a well-intentioned organization gone rogue. The idea of "anti-fascism" may be noble... but as always it falls into the hands of violent thugs who decide to take matters into their own hands.

Now let's talk about something else.

Let's think about this for a minute. Why oh why the continued insistence on having Trump utter the words "I condemn White Supremacy."??!??

Does ANYONE in their right minds think this would make one iota of difference??

Whether Trump says it out loud or not..... it doesn't matter. He doesn't feel that way!!!

I know... tough one to digest. :rolleyes:

News flash for the whole wide world: TRUMP MAY SAY THE WORDS (he won't), BUT IN HIS MIND HE NEVER WILL.

So why go through the childish and pointless exercise of coercing him to say the words?? :vd:

Next I'd expect people to ask him to cross his heart and hope to die. :rolleyes:

The guy's a fukking racist, no matter HOW MANY photo ops he takes with black leaders or how many times he hugs Kanye West or poses for pictures with Jim Brown.

People who are influenced by that sort of superficial bullshit just don't see the big picture.

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Let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

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the "reason" they want to hear lip service from Trump is precisely because of what I mentioned earlier: we are living in such SHALLOW TIMES, that even lip service has become satisfying enough in many people's minds, over sincerity. For past 20 years we have increasingly become a GOTCHA! culture where cute one-liners have replaced facts.

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Let's think about this for a minute. Why oh why the continued insistence on having Trump utter the words "I condemn White Supremacy."??!??

Does ANYONE in their right minds think this would make one iota of difference??

Whether Trump says it out loud or not..... it doesn't matter. He doesn't feel that way!!!

I know... tough one to digest. :rolleyes:

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Allow me to allow Nancy Pelosi to explain WHY this is happening @TitoFan ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6wq5LzKLec



There it is...it's a tactic to smear Donald Trump by CONSTANTLY asking him. The answer has never changed from Trump. He's racist? Insanity. I mean feel how you like, but that is absolute insanity to me and once you are locked in on "he's racist" you're beyond coming back from that. You've crossed the Rubicon as it were in terms of judging the man.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Let's think about this for a minute. Why oh why the continued insistence on having Trump utter the words "I condemn White Supremacy."??!??

Does ANYONE in their right minds think this would make one iota of difference??

Whether Trump says it out loud or not..... it doesn't matter. He doesn't feel that way!!!

I know... tough one to digest. :rolleyes:

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Allow me to allow Nancy Pelosi to explain WHY this is happening @TitoFan ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6wq5LzKLec



There it is...it's a tactic to smear Donald Trump by CONSTANTLY asking him. The answer has never changed from Trump. He's racist? Insanity. I mean feel how you like, but that is absolute insanity to me and once you are locked in on "he's racist" you're beyond coming back from that. You've crossed the Rubicon as it were in terms of judging the man.

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Maybe it's as simple as he's asked CONSTANTLY because in between these supposed condemnations he never fails to interject racial overtones, stereotypes and dog whistles into the political process. Literally, give it a day or two and he'll go chumming the waters with slamming members of Congress of another ethnicity and backgrounds, or spouting off about better greater genes or American cities becoming 'immigration' camps. Tomorrow or maybe yesterday I'm dizzy at this point :stars:.