Deontay Wilder vs Andy Ruiz Jr

Deontay Wilder vs Andy Ruiz Jr set to be ordered as final WBC eliminator to determine next Tyson Fury opponent

THE WBC are set to order a fight between Deontay Wilder and Andy Ruiz Jr, according to President Mauricio Sulaimán.

Wilder returned to the ring after more than a year out on Saturday and brutally knocked out Robert Helenius in the first round.

Sulaimán was impressed with the American's power and revealed he will be ordered to fight Ruiz at a WBC convention in Mexico next week.

The winner of that clash will become the mandatory challenger to face Tyson Fury, assuming the Gypsy King beats Derek Chisora on December 3.

However, Wilder has other targets in his sights including Anthony Joshua.

Wilder's manager Shelly Finkel revealed he had an offer from Eddie Hearn to make a fight between the pair, but he wanted Wilder to get the Helenius bout under his belt first.

Talks in 2018 over a proposed bout fell through but both parties now seem up for it with Wilder eyeing a fight in Africa.

He said: “It’s still the number one fight in the world for everyone. Everywhere I go, people always talk about me versus Joshua.

“We both have roots from there, I think it would be an amazing place to have it, to go back home. To go back to the motherland.

“A continent full of our people. I can just see that being an amazing fight, win, lose or draw.

“I think we’ll get the respect and love from all the people over there.”

Meanwhile, Fury is set to face Chisora in Cardiff and showed he is getting into good shape after working hard in the gym.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20160...bc-tyson-fury/

Would love to see Wilder vs AJ but Wilder vs Ruiz is interesting also. For AJ's career I hope Wilder fights Ruiz next and AJ gets some confidence and rounds under his belt- but from a selfish standpoint I would prefer Wilder fight AJ next. Great/interesting style match up- AJ won't have to worry about being outmaneuvered by Deontay and Deontay won't have to worry about AJ having the mental toughness, engine, elusiveness, and chin of Tyson Fury.

Wilder beats Ruiz with relative ease and stops him just before midway.

I am sure even Wilder will not want to face Fury again and will prefer facing AJ.

Yeah. Zero point in another Wilder-Fury fight. I've always said I'd love to see Wilder vs Joshua, and who knows... it could still happen. Wilder has to get by Ruiz first, and from what I've read, common opponents like Luis Ortiz give Wilder a big edge. To me it depends which Ruiz shows up... but I'd have to give the edge to Wilder also.

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Wilder beats Ruiz with relative ease and stops him just before midway.

I am sure even Wilder will not want to face Fury again and will prefer facing AJ.

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I wonder about Ruiz being easy. Deontay can make anyone look easy if he lands a solid right, but Ruiz is skilled and a sleeper. I may bet on Ruiz for that fight- as dangerous as Wilder is, Ruiz is very skilled and the more complete boxer. This will be an interesting fight.

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Wilder beats Ruiz with relative ease and stops him just before midway.

I am sure even Wilder will not want to face Fury again and will prefer facing AJ.

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I wonder about Ruiz being easy. Deontay can make anyone look easy if he lands a solid right, but Ruiz is skilled and a sleeper. I may bet on Ruiz for that fight- as dangerous as Wilder is, Ruiz is very skilled and the more complete boxer. This will be an interesting fight.

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Ruiz had his day in the sun and was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time. He is not a top tier heavyweight and below in the second division with Parker.

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Wilder beats Ruiz with relative ease and stops him just before midway.

I am sure even Wilder will not want to face Fury again and will prefer facing AJ.

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I wonder about Ruiz being easy. Deontay can make anyone look easy if he lands a solid right, but Ruiz is skilled and a sleeper. I may bet on Ruiz for that fight- as dangerous as Wilder is, Ruiz is very skilled and the more complete boxer. This will be an interesting fight.

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Ruiz had his day in the sun and was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time. He is not a top tier heavyweight and below in the second division with Parker.

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He just beat Ortiz, albeit an old Ortiz. With the exception of AJ, Fury & Usyk, name me any other HW’s with a better name on their record?

Does not matter about names for Ruiz, he is second tier.

Joyce beats him, damaged Whyte beats him, rejuvenated Dubois beats him.

The undefeated younger heavyweights will overtake him too given the opportunity.

Ruiz is the Chesney Hawke of the heavyweight division (one hit wonder).

“Rejuvenated Dubois” :LOLATYOU: next you’re gonna roll out the “He’s a World Champion” line.;D

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“Rejuvenated Dubois” :LOLATYOU: next you’re gonna roll out the “He’s a World Champion” line.;D

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Dubois beats Ruiz.

No shame in Dubois losing to Joe Joyce.

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“Rejuvenated Dubois” :LOLATYOU: next you’re gonna roll out the “He’s a World Champion” line.;D

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Dubois beats Ruiz.

No shame in Dubois losing to Joe Joyce.

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If Ruiz comes in a fat prick that’s not trained and been eating burritos for 8 weeks, then Dubois (and loads of other HW’s) have a chance, 50/50.
But if Ruiz came in with even an average camp behind him, he beats Dubois all day long.
I’m not even rating Ruiz very highly, but you always diss a foreign guy when comparing to a Brit, and you always overrate the Brit.
When you say World class, you reckon the World starts in Cornwall and ends in Newcastle.

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“Rejuvenated Dubois” :LOLATYOU: next you’re gonna roll out the “He’s a World Champion” line.;D

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Dubois beats Ruiz.

No shame in Dubois losing to Joe Joyce.

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If Ruiz comes in a fat prick that’s not trained and been eating burritos for 8 weeks, then Dubois (and loads of other HW’s) have a chance, 50/50.
But if Ruiz came in with even an average camp behind him, he beats Dubois all day long.
I’m not even rating Ruiz very highly, but you always diss a foreign guy when comparing to a Brit, and you always overrate the Brit.
When you say World class, you reckon the World starts in Cornwall and ends in Newcastle.

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Mate, seriously that is just exposing the massive chip on your own shoulder. What is it with your insistence that being British means you will always over rate the British fighter? Ruiz is far from Shite and I really don't rate Dubois at all, but their place of birth has nothing to do with that opinion, and I don't think it has for Master either.

Can't lose sight that other than 3 minutes with a tailor made hand picked opponent, there remain legit questions surrounding Wilder. I can see Ruiz trying to keep a turtle shell low approach as Wilder was more than willing to give up ring straight back into the corner. Hooking out of the crouch. And his hand speed remains for him.

Problem is that before Ruiz breaks out and does well in his fights, he has to get into one and gets caught clean first :-X. Always has. That's to his detriment here big time. Maybe Wilder breaks a hand on top of his head. But if Arreola is lining you up for a straight right and dropping you clean, I like Wilder if his stamina and wear and tear do not catch up mid rounds. They have talked about this for a bit and thought it may happen sooner but glad it's happening.

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“Rejuvenated Dubois” :LOLATYOU: next you’re gonna roll out the “He’s a World Champion” line.;D

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Dubois beats Ruiz.

No shame in Dubois losing to Joe Joyce.

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If Ruiz comes in a fat prick that’s not trained and been eating burritos for 8 weeks, then Dubois (and loads of other HW’s) have a chance, 50/50.
But if Ruiz came in with even an average camp behind him, he beats Dubois all day long.
I’m not even rating Ruiz very highly, but you always diss a foreign guy when comparing to a Brit, and you always overrate the Brit.
When you say World class, you reckon the World starts in Cornwall and ends in Newcastle.

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Mate, seriously that is just exposing the massive chip on your own shoulder. What is it with your insistence that being British means you will always over rate the British fighter? Ruiz is far from Shite and I really don't rate Dubois at all, but their place of birth has nothing to do with that opinion, and I don't think it has for Master either.

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Mate, I’m not saying it’s a racist thing, what I’m saying is that it is believing the constant tub thumping of guys on our own doorstep, just because we know more about them and see them more.
Before Crawford beat Ricky Burns, nobody over here knew much about Crawford. But put there names together now and it’s almost laughable.
@ronswanson makes a fair point when says about another “British World Champion.”
It’s the business side of things , the governing bodies put more people into title fights because their fights might make more money for the commission.
Example , at one time the WBO was nicknamed the “Warren Boxing Organisation” because of his “special” relationship with them. The only person outside the U.K. that used to get WBO belts was Manny Pac, much for the same reasons.
It’s all about the ching ching.

Dubois is a “regular” World Champion. Now there are 4 governing bodies , say they each had a proper champ and each had a “regular” champ. That’s 8 guys max. And Infact the proper belts are held between 2 men, so that means 6 “champions” max.
Can you honestly say Dubois is one of the 6 best HW’s in the World?
He was manoeuvred into that position by his management and promotions team. It’s been going on forever.

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Wilder beats Ruiz with relative ease and stops him just before midway.

I am sure even Wilder will not want to face Fury again and will prefer facing AJ.

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I wonder about Ruiz being easy. Deontay can make anyone look easy if he lands a solid right, but Ruiz is skilled and a sleeper. I may bet on Ruiz for that fight- as dangerous as Wilder is, Ruiz is very skilled and the more complete boxer. This will be an interesting fight.

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I agree with you here. Thing is, Ruiz can get clipped, but he has the ability to take a punch and get back up. AJ saw that. What if Ruiz gets back up after Wilder tags him, which he most likely will, and starts timing Wilder's wide open shots with the amazing handspeed he has?

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Wilder beats Ruiz with relative ease and stops him just before midway.

I am sure even Wilder will not want to face Fury again and will prefer facing AJ.

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I wonder about Ruiz being easy. Deontay can make anyone look easy if he lands a solid right, but Ruiz is skilled and a sleeper. I may bet on Ruiz for that fight- as dangerous as Wilder is, Ruiz is very skilled and the more complete boxer. This will be an interesting fight.

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I agree with you here. Thing is, Ruiz can get clipped, but he has the ability to take a punch and get back up. AJ saw that. What if Ruiz gets back up after Wilder tags him, which he most likely will, and starts timing Wilder's wide open shots with the amazing handspeed he has?

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Ruiz is not getting up if Wilder connects. If he miraculously does Wilder will not be careless as AJ was and finish the job when the time is right.

Who you got?

Have received advanced footage ;D. But can see it a 50-50 fight. Tons of questions left on Wilder out of the Fury woodchipper(s). Ruiz is a very capable combo puncher up close. But my lean to Wilder is because Ruiz always gets clipped bad before a fight breaks out.

https://youtu.be/XrhWDUYCO-Q

I actually hope this fight comes off, I'd be interested to see it. with what is around and available at the moment, it's a pretty good fight.
Despite being a fat fuck, (I can say that because I'm one) :) Ruiz has good movement , technique and quick hands for a HW. Things that have frustrated Wider in the past. And despite me giving Wilder plenty of criticism in the past, if he gets past a Ruiz that hopefully will be in a tiny bit of shape , that would be a good scalp for him .

"For me, I feel like I can take a punch. I'm not saying that [Wilder] doesn't hit hard or nothing," Ruiz Jr told Boxing Social. "I'm gonna get in, I'm gonna throw my combinations, I'm gonna be fast, explosive, and I throw that right hand, in his temple, and he's gonna go down ... We're right here trying to stay busy and trying to stay focused."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...306a0865a21675

“Andy Ruiz presents absolutely no threat to a disciplined Deontay Wilder,” Scott told Casinos en Ligne. “I’ve been going over my notes and from film study I see Andy Ruiz has a problem with disciplined fighters.

“The only hope Andy Ruiz has is if you give him an opportunity. But if you stick to a game plan he’s easy to shut down. He’s a good fighter but we all have our loopholes, Andy’s is he can’t beat disciplined fighters.

“When AJ fought him the first time he was not as disciplined as when he fought him the second time. The minute AJ fought with a systemised game plan it was a shut out. An old Chris Arreola, who got with Joe Goosen and stuck with a game plan, beat Ruiz in my opinion by two rounds. Every time I look at the tape, I have Arreola winning by two rounds, it definitely wasn’t as wide as the judges had it.

“Andy Ruiz is going to come to Deontay and when he does he puts himself at risk. We’re going to make him reach, he has to, we’re taller. When he reaches he’s going to pay like he’s never paid before.

“A disciplined, systemised Deontay Wilder has no problem with Andy Ruiz. Does that mean Andy is a bad fighter, absolutely not, but Deontay with a game plan; high hand up, chin behind the left knee, patience knowing he’s going to have his big moments - it’s a shutout, a painful, scary shutout.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...fc165edaa10aa7

I think Scott is really downplaying how quickly a guy waiting on the right and who doesn't move well going backwards can find himself in something different than what he's been accustomed to. Other than maybe Stiverne who really kept his hands in his pockets big time, Fury, Ortiz, even Washington had huge success trying to outbox Wilder for the most part. The last two eventually were lined up on the end. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the ability of Ruiz to disrupt what sounds like their plan to box Andy. He may very well look to force an exchange as crazy as it sounds. Bit of a suicidal approach one would think but he certainly isn't going to sit on the end trying to out jab, ot range Wilder. He'll have to get close of course but I actually think he gives Wilder an ugly ugly time with the combination punching. Ya just can't get away from the fact that in all reality this will be the 2-3 most talented fighter Wilder will have faced, ever. Also like Ruiz talking about the temple, that's pretty precise stuff. Hope they really get this worked out and set something firm.

Andy has that chopping side of the head punch that comes close to a rabbit punch, he can hurt you with that, he is good at getting that angle in a clinch, Wilder will have problems tying Andy up when Andy gets low. He can sneak it round Wilder's left ear, Andy knows how

I want Wilder vs Ruiz. AJ has loss 3 of his last 4 fights. I'm done with AJ. He has never recovered from the Ruiz KO. He should fight guys with glass jaws and light punchers. Then fight someone a little tougher.

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I want Wilder vs Ruiz. AJ has loss 3 of his last 4 fights. I'm done with AJ. He has never recovered from the Ruiz KO. He should fight guys with glass jaws and light punchers. Then fight someone a little tougher.

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I am also done with AJ. I spoke to him last night and told him that he should go into bodybuilding competitions or maybe championship wrestling and he was like 40% into it

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I want Wilder vs Ruiz. AJ has loss 3 of his last 4 fights. I'm done with AJ. He has never recovered from the Ruiz KO. He should fight guys with glass jaws and light punchers. Then fight someone a little tougher.

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I am also done with AJ. I spoke to him last night and told him that he should go into bodybuilding competitions or maybe championship wrestling and he was like 40% into it

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Bad breakup?

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I want Wilder vs Ruiz. AJ has loss 3 of his last 4 fights. I'm done with AJ. He has never recovered from the Ruiz KO. He should fight guys with glass jaws and light punchers. Then fight someone a little tougher.

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I am also done with AJ. I spoke to him last night and told him that he should go into bodybuilding competitions or maybe championship wrestling and he was like 40% into it

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Bad breakup?

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Yep. ;D

anyone else doubting this fight happens next?

had a quick meal with andy and he is scarfing down the mole de poblano by the plate i warned him deontay has a long reach

has deontay lost his pen?

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has deontay lost his pen?

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At first I thought you were going to write penus and stopped writing. So Wilder has not signed yet?