fighting in mexico v john ryder
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julio el rey cezar martinez v mcwilliams arroyo is said to be in the works for this card. this must be the sixth attempt to make the rematch
Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez will defend his undisputed super-middleweight titles against British contender John Ryder in Mexico on May 6.
The Mexican star returns against Ryder, with the WBC, IBF, WBA and WBO belts on the line at Akron Stadium in Guadalajara.
Canelo defeated bitter rival Gennadiy Golovkin on points in their trilogy battle in Las Vegas in September, marking his move back to 168lbs after a surprise points defeat to Dmitry Bivol in their WBA light-heavyweight title fight last May.
Ryder is hoping to pull off a sensational upset after a five-fight winning streak propelled him into title contention, including wins over Daniel Jacobs and Zach Parker.
"I feel really happy to be coming back in May because following my surgery, I was unsure of when I'd be coming back," said Canelo, who underwent surgery on his left hand at the end of last year.
"Returning to the ring and coming back to fight in Jalisco, where I'm from, makes me especially happy. And in John Ryder, I'm facing a very competitive fighter."
"There's no denying that Canelo is one of the greats and I've got a lot of respect for what he's achieved in the sport but I fully believe this is my time fulfil my dream of becoming a world champion," said Ryder.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...216c0604&ei=32
Liam Smith
Rocky Fielding
Callum Smith
Billy Joe Saunders
and now...
John Ryder
No wonder British fans consider Ginger a superstar. :D
In that whole group, only BJS was fighting with any "cojones" (or had anything to offer), until "Clenelo" busted his orbital bone with one punch. :scratchchin::headscratch::detective:
Bring on the British guys... but no Mexicans please (ahem... David Benavidez). "I don't do Mexicans." ;)
I always liked John Ryder, but he was a small MW, so against a meathead like Canelo at SMW , he’s fucked.
Most people point to his “robbery” by Callum Smith. But he LOST! And we saw what happened to Smith against Canelo.
I would love to see Ryder win, but I really can’t see it, and I believe there are probably better opponents for a man of Canelo’s standing.
But I suppose I’m glad to see Ryder get the payday.
Standard issue for Canelo after wrapping up the long mothballed Golovkin rematch. He'll get the opportunity to do the load up in front of a guy without having a 4,5 piece rattling off his forehead in return ala Bivol. Ryder seems like a decent fella and hard and realistic enough to read the reality in this one. But he'll maximize what he has, and Canelo will shine in return. Weird in that he's lost to 3 of the guys Canelo grabbed straps from, save for Jacobs which was fair enough and could have gone either way. Probably miss it with absurd ppv tag strapped to it. Even though Dazn brought an end to those troublesome ppvs :D:-X.
Damn dazn and their PPVs I don't even see anywhere to rewatch the couple I bought.. rubbish.. fite you lets you rewatch them, dazn only saves you 5$ too and then your still paying near 30 quids a month.. probably use fire tv in the future if they still have access to PPVs I want to support.
Bit of an interesting match up at best Alvarez will get a fairly impressive looking stoppage, hopefully not like against yldirim though..
Let's do a quick recap on Ginger's last 15 opponents (including Ryder), covering the last 7 years... shall we?
Khan (2016) - Nothing more need be said. The glass-chinned toy poodle dancing around the mastiff until he got in range.
Liam Smith (2016) - The first in a parade of British pushovers that have contributed as much to Ginger's (cough)... "legacy" as any group.
JCC Jr. (2017) - Prior to that he couldn't go up to 160 to challenge a peak Golovkin... but he somehow saw fit to jump to 164 to fight The Mummy in what was basically a circus match.
Golovkin x2 (2017, 2018 ) - After enough (cough)... "marinating", Ginger finally yielded to public pressure and had his 1st two fights vs GGG. Robbed of a victory in the 1st... could've lost the 2nd one also.
Fielding (2018 ) - Do I really have to discuss this one? One of Ginger's most blatant "cherry picks"... jumping to the next weight to pick off his 2nd British victim... lame duck Fielding... for a shiny new trinket.
Jacobs (2019) - ATTENTION GINGER GROUPIES: This is where your "hater" cries go down in flames. Full credit to Ginger on this one. No size advantage... no robbery... legitimate victory. Like finding a rare jewel in the mud.
Kovalev (2019) - "Groupies' Finest Hour." Unfortunately... the rest of us saw a shell of the previous bully, who had been previously unmasked and exposed by that most fearsome of punchers... Andre Ward. Kov's most shameful performance EVER.
Callum Smith (2020) - 3rd British victim. And the second fighter in a row (see: Kov) to PERPLEXINGLY become a timid deer in headlights... happy to survive and hand Ginger a victory. Size advantage be damned.
Yildirim (2021) - Can we just skip over this one?
Saunders (2021) - FINALLY! A British opponent for Ginger exhibiting cojones. He had a chance... until Ginger mustered up enough power to break his eye socket with one punch. Must've had a 2nd helping of Mexican beef before the fight.
Plant (2021) - Man... Caleb did all he could. But he was outgunned, outsized, out-everything from the very beginning. He had lost the fight when he signed the contract.
Ahhhhh... Bivol (2022) - Finally Ginger and his LBT (Legacy Building Team) slipped up and got careless. They figured Bivol was the lesser of two evils at 175. And buoyed by the Kovalev sham... er... success years earlier... decided to go for it. No diva clauses... no rehydration limits. Even after a THOROUGH BEATING at the hands of Bivol... Ginger almost got HIS judges to give him the decision. Those judges are probably STILL crying to this day.
Golovkin (2022) - What better than to go back to the tried and true? A 40-year old man... totally BOUGHT judges... size advantage (GGG stupidly went up to 168 for the first time ever). This was a DONE DEAL.
Ryder (2023) - Gee... I wonder who's going to win?
Let the counterarguments begin.
possible undercard
rey martínez v mcwilliams arroyo
oleksandr gvozdyk v tba
gabriel gollaz valenzuela v steve spark
nathan rodríguez v tba
Did they get behind this one? Just an odd direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
The 34-year-old Londoner will meet superstar Canelo, two years his junior, at the Akron Stadium, Guadalajara in his native state of Jalisco on May 6 in the biggest fight of his 12-year career to date.
Ryder, the World Boxing Organisation's mandatory challenger after claiming the interim title in his last fight when Zach Parker retired after four rounds in November, is relishing the opportunity to go toe-to-toe with a four-weight world champion.
He said: "There's no denying that Canelo is one of the greats and I've got a lot of respect for what he's achieved in the sport, but I fully believe this is my time fulfil my dream of becoming a world champion. "I'm not going over there for a holiday. For me, this is purely business and my full focus is on going into his backyard in Guadalajara on May 6 and bringing those belts back with me to the UK."
Canelo, who will fight in Mexico for the first time in 11 and a half years, will be defending his undisputed crown for the second time after beating bitter rival Gennady Golovkin in their trilogy battle in Las Vegas in September. The Mexican, who has lost just twice in 62 bouts and successful defended his WBC middleweight title against Amir Khan in 2016 with a brutal stoppage, is returning to action after undergoing wrist surgery in November.
He said: "I feel really happy to be coming back in May because, following my surgery, I was unsure of when I'd be coming back. "Returning to the ring and coming back to fight in Jalisco, where I'm from, makes me especially happy. And in John Ryder, I'm facing a very competitive fighter."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...e3bd16f5&ei=96
it's just a memeQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliDid they get behind this one? Just an odd direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Eddie Hearn and Oscar De La Hoya have exchanged insults in a spat over Canelo Alvarez’s next fight.
The Mexican boxing superstar will return home to defend his undisputed WBA, WBC, IBF & WBO super-middleweight world titles against John Ryder in Jalisco on May 6.
Canelo was promoted by De La Hoya up until 2020, when he split with Golden Boy and became a free agent.
For a lot of his free agency, he has been signing one/two-fight deals to work with Hearn, who will be staging the Ryder bout.
When asked about Canelo’s next match-up, De La Hoya told Fight Hub: “It seems like he’s regressing inside the ring, he’s regressing in terms of opponents.
“He’s fighting all these British fighters and it does nothing to his legacy
“I don’t know whose fault that is, I don’t want to mention anything…
“He has to step up and fight tough opposition, the tough guys, the guys who are out there who can give him a fight. It’s not the John Ryders of this world.”
In response, Hearn told Fight Hub: “John Ryder’s earned his shot, he beat Danny Jacobs, he beat Zach Parker.
“I did see Oscar say, ‘You’ve gotta fight bigger fights.’ His last three fights have been Caleb Plant, Dmitry Bivol and Gennady Golovkin.
“Sometimes people actually refuse to acknowledge the facts…
“Oscar De La Hoya said, ‘They’re stupid taking that [Bivol] fight, that’s such a tough fight, they’re idiots,’ but all of a sudden he’s taking easy fights?
“Oscar will say whatever suits him. I don’t think half the time he knows what he’s saying.
“But he will never speak honestly about Canelo Alvarez because at the end of the day, Canelo Alvarez left Golden Boy and he’s never been able to accept that.
“I think he needs to look at some of his own matchmaking. Particularly Gilberto Ramirez this weekend and particularly Jaime Munguia, which has been absolutely horrific and embarrassing…
“If you want to look at Canelo’s résumé and criticise, you’re a complete idiot.
Upon seeing some of these quotes, De La Hoya fired back on social media.
He tweeted: “Oh God. Again??
“Eddie Hearn stop attempting to poach another one of my world champions in Jaime Munguia. Why is it impossible for you to build your own?
“To quote Roger Mayweather, ‘You don’t know s*** about boxing.'”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...vs-john-ryder/
De la Hoya can bugger off, the catch weight and limits have gone since Alvarez left de la Hoya, he went up and beat three undefeated supermiddle weight champs with no nonsense. Not his fault they were 2/3rds British..
Ryder is an uninspiring match up to be fair to de la Hoya but British boxing fans are quite easy to milk money from.
i'm happy for john the gorilla to get this shot, he should have had a championship already but he was robbed against callum. john also has wins over danny jacobs & zach packer in his last two fights. canelo is coming off surgery & it's a homecoming fight for him & he's still talking about challenging himself against dmitry again at one seventy five next, so i'm good with this fight
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Heroically, I might add.
That was against Kovalev!
Ryder was not robbed against Callum, just as Jacobs was not robbed against Ryder. They were close fights that could have gone either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Canello will get trounced by Dmitry
so taking that fight would be a big challenge yeh?Quote:
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He already has. Bivol is a LHW and should fight Beterbiev. Canelo is a SMW, stick to clearing them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoley
Yep. So why didn’t he take it? He had the rematch clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso taking that fight would be a big challenge yeh?Quote:
Originally Posted by zoley
Everything has been proved already. Sure, Canelo can pick off some low hanging fruit at LHW, but came short at the top level.
No disgrace in that. Stick to SMW.
after the ggg fight canelo is said to have had surgery, i thought the plan was always to have a lesser fight in may with the dmitry rematch possibly in september. if everything's already been proved then it would definitely be a challenge to take the fight again. it's not a disgrace to lose to dmitry. i agree canelo should stick to super middle
I'm all for Canelo to go after Bivol again. He should go for it.
Agreed. This time b i v o l will be more aggressive and probably knock him outQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellAgreed. This time b i v o l will be more aggressive and probably knock him outQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Gee... wouldn't THAT be a shame. :cooldevil:
would you give canelo credit for taking the challenge again?Quote:
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I would. But I can’t see it happening. And I would prefer Bivol v Beterbiev before it’s too late , if it’s not already too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwould you give canelo credit for taking the challenge again?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
“IF” Benavidez beats Plant at the weekend (and I hope he doesn’t) I would much rather see Benavidez v Canelo.
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Without diva clauses and demands? Sure, why not.
After all it would represent an about face from Ginger's M.O. through the entirety of his career.
did you consider dmitry a challenge the first time?Quote:
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Originally Posted by TICwould you give canelo credit for taking the challenge again?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Without diva clauses and demands? Sure, why not.
After all it would represent an about face from Ginger's M.O. through the entirety of his career.
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Originally Posted by TICdid you consider dmitry a challenge the first time?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICwould you give canelo credit for taking the challenge again?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Without diva clauses and demands? Sure, why not.
After all it would represent an about face from Ginger's M.O. through the entirety of his career.
Of course I did. I'm nothing if not objective. I'm fair but I'm firm. :cool:
Ginger of course had the judges in his back pocket... but not even corrupt, bought judges were able to gift Ginger an undeserved decision.
Yes all the judges had it the same 7-5 score in rounds when it was more like 9-3 to Bivol.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TICdid you consider dmitry a challenge the first time?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICwould you give canelo credit for taking the challenge again?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Without diva clauses and demands? Sure, why not.
After all it would represent an about face from Ginger's M.O. through the entirety of his career.
Of course I did. I'm nothing if not objective. I'm fair but I'm firm. :cool:
Ginger of course had the judges in his back pocket... but not even corrupt, bought judges were able to gift Ginger an undeserved decision.
demetrius andrade could have fought zach parker for the interim belt & if he won canelo would be fighting him now, instead john did that
Gvozdyk at it again. Didn't realize he was still going on with the comeback.
Amazing how dead in the water the buzz after the presser was. Looked like a formality meet up to sign papers for a rental property. In the aftermath of the Davis v Garcia this will be very interesting.
https://youtu.be/YcEJxBWIIio
British boxer John Ryder claims he will be no pushover as he prepares to fight Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez for the undisputed super middleweight titles this weekend.
Ryder has travelled to Guadalajara in Mexico as he aims to become England’s first undisputed male champion in the four-belt era on May 6.
Canelo bounced back from his defeat to Dmitry Bivol, this exact weekend last year, with a unanimous decision victory over Gennadiy Golovkin four months later and while fighting in Mexico is new for Ryder, Canelo has never fought in front of his home crowd either.
Much discussion leading up to the fight has claimed champion Canelo has chosen an ‘easy’ bout in a bid to add another British fighter to his winning record, along with the other seven that have come before The Gorilla.
Ryder is keen to show the world that Saturday will not be straightforward for Canelo and is ready to make a statement.
He told the PA news agency: “I’m sure people do see it as an easy fight but I’m in there to make a statement and stake my own claim on the super-middleweight division.
“I want to show people I do deserve to be a true world champion. I was harshly judged on in the fight with (Callum) Smith and already should have a world title but I’m blessed that this opportunity has come now.
“I’ve worked hard, I’ve had a few more fights in and around that level, picked up the interim world title and now I’m sitting in a fantastic position taking on Canelo next.”
Ryder has previously lost five career fights to Billy Joe Saunders, Nick Blackwell, Jack Arnfield, Rocky Fielding, and the most recent being Callum Smith in 2019 by unanimous decision.
Since then, Ryder has won four fights which has given him the opportunity to take on Canelo, but he is not treating it any bigger than any of his previous match-ups.
He added: “I treat every fight as my biggest challenge and I used to get nervous for the first couple of fights I was going in with so-called journeymen.
“The thought of losing a fight like that petrified me because you lose to them people and you are on a road to nowhere, so I always go into every fight giving the opponent the respect they deserve and Canelo is no different.
“If I say I’m supremely confident then people think I’m delusional but I wouldn’t be going out there if I wasn’t confident in my own ability and wouldn’t be taking a team out there that I am.”
The fight will be the first ever boxing match to take place at the Akron Stadium, with around 48,000 fans expected to be in attendance.
“I think the Mexican fans are real fight fans,” Ryder said.
“As long as you’ve giving them what they want to see and putting it all on the line… I’m sure they might boo on the way in but cheer on the way out.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...2c05a188&ei=12
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They all say that. He'll be British victim # 8 for Canelo, who should by now acknowledge that British fighters have contributed immensely to his artificial, and carefully built up (cough) "legacy."
Ryder, like Fielding four and a half years ago, will lose by predictable knockout.
Useless fight.
He should fight Bivol again, so this time Bivol will hopefully KTFO him... and/or stop avoiding Benavidez, with the "I don't fight Mexicans" excuse. (That didn't apply for JCC Jr., I guess).