Re: Heavyweights by decades
Thanks for engaging.
I've seen videos of fights from all the aforementioned decades. My own personal opinion is that technique and size have definitely changed throughout the years. Yes... if you compare a Joe Louis to everyone is his era... he's head and shoulders above. But size and technique changes definitely put him at a distinct disadvantage against many, more modern fighters. Going back even further, you've got Jack Dempsey, Max Schmeling, and Max Baer in the 20's and 30's. Decidedly robotic against today's standards... but the standard bearers of their time.
I agree that the 60's brought about the first significant jump in technique. Ali did the most to revolutionize the division with his speed and movement. His massacre of Cleveland Williams in 1966 made it look like Williams was standing still.
Most heavyweights were still plodders.
The 80's to me were a good decade. Holmes had speed, movement, and a great jab. Iron Mike was a wrecking machine. Holyfield was an indestructible force at heavyweight.
I see any of them sweeping the floor with competition from the 50's or earlier. Tyson with his speed, movement and punching power would've literally murdered any champion from the 50's and earlier.
Size advantages became super obvious in the 90's. Lennox was what... 6-5? Averaging 250 pounds? Way too big for any 60's and earlier champion. He was a tremendous boxer as well.
I think the last three decades have plateaued, though. Personally, I don't see a Joshua, a Wilder, or even a Fury having any automatic advantage over a Lennox Lewis, or even a motivated and trained Riddick Bowe.
It's all a matter of opinion, although it IS important to watch videos of old fights and take size and technique into account.
I watch American football... and similar comparisons and logic can be applied to comparisons in eras, also.
Re: Heavyweights by decades
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
Re: Heavyweights by decades
You Talkin bout the atomic windmill flailing deontay 😂😂😂❓ BWAHAHAHAHAH
He beats NOBODY. fucking even Kenny "I got blown out by every big Puncher in history" Norton would give him a boxing lesson
Larry Holmes would fucking SMOKE Wilder and fuck his mother
Re: Heavyweights by decades
The Klit brothers only replaced Lennox because he got old. They were not better or improved.
The old Wlad would probably have beaten AJ.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.
You see strange things Mr Joe Smith.
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The Klit brothers only replaced Lennox because he got old. They were not better or improved.
The old Wlad would probably have beaten AJ.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.
You see strange things Mr Joe Smith.
Deontay isn't better tech than guys in 20s-30s, you need to prove it in full matches show the videos...,if you can't you're a liar
klits weren't better then len you prove it in matches,I can easily show they were
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You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
You seem to have reading comprehension issues.
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You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
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NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
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Master
The Klit brothers only replaced Lennox because he got old. They were not better or improved.
The old Wlad would probably have beaten AJ.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.
You see strange things Mr Joe Smith.
Deontay isn't better tech than guys in 20s-30s, you need to prove it in full matches show the videos...,if you can't you're a liar
klits weren't better then len you prove it in matches,I can easily show they were
I can show you in reality. Lennox stopped Vitali. :)
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joe smith
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Master
The Klit brothers only replaced Lennox because he got old. They were not better or improved.
The old Wlad would probably have beaten AJ.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.
You see strange things Mr Joe Smith.
Deontay isn't better tech than guys in 20s-30s, you need to prove it in full matches show the videos..., if you can't you're a liar
klits weren't better then len you prove it in matches,I can easily show they were
I can show you in reality. Lennox stopped Vitali. :)
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.you need to prove it in full matches show the videos..., if you can't you're a liar
1 match doesn't work on me, Vitali fought 10 years after that, you said for a fact they weren't better or improved i can show for a fact Vitali 10 years after that match with Len was way more advanced than Len ever was, which means you lied
His brother wlad even fought longer than Vit and he was even way more advanced than Len ever was to
And the opponents matter too so even the average person Len fought wasn't even close to as advanced as guys Klits fought, so you really exposed yourself bad
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joe smith
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Master
The Klit brothers only replaced Lennox because he got old. They were not better or improved.
The old Wlad would probably have beaten AJ.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.
You see strange things Mr Joe Smith.
Deontay isn't better tech than guys in 20s-30s, you need to prove it in full matches show the videos..., if you can't you're a liar
klits weren't better then len you prove it in matches,I can easily show they were
I can show you in reality. Lennox stopped Vitali. :)
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.you need to prove it in full matches show the videos..., if you can't you're a liar
1 match doesn't work on me, Vitali fought 10 years after that, you said for a fact they weren't better or improved i can show for a fact Vitali 10 years after that match with Len was way more advanced than Len ever was, which means you lied
His brother wlad even fought longer than Vit and he was even way more advanced than Len ever was to
And the opponents matter too so even the average person Len fought wasn't even close to as advanced as guys Klits fought, so you really exposed yourself bad
You are exposing yourself. Wlad got stopped a couple of times to unremarkable boxers. Vitali opponents got worse the longer he went on.
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joe smith
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Master
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joe smith
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Master
The Klit brothers only replaced Lennox because he got old. They were not better or improved.
The old Wlad would probably have beaten AJ.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.
You see strange things Mr Joe Smith.
Deontay isn't better tech than guys in 20s-30s, you need to prove it in full matches show the videos..., if you can't you're a liar
klits weren't better then len you prove it in matches,I can easily show they were
I can show you in reality. Lennox stopped Vitali. :)
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's.you need to prove it in full matches show the videos..., if you can't you're a liar
1 match doesn't work on me, Vitali fought 10 years after that, you said for a fact they weren't better or improved i can show for a fact Vitali 10 years after that match with Len was way more advanced than Len ever was, which means you lied
His brother wlad even fought longer than Vit and he was even way more advanced than Len ever was to
And the opponents matter too so even the average person Len fought wasn't even close to as advanced as guys Klits fought, so you really exposed yourself bad
You are exposing yourself. Wlad got stopped a couple of times to unremarkable boxers. Vitali opponents got worse the longer he went on.
I'm done responding to you liar you have said Deontay wasn't more advanced than 20s-30s I said twice to show it you refuse, now are saying Wlad and vit opponents were worse no proof of this you're a lunatic liar
Re: Heavyweights by decades
How can I prove to you how wild Wilder is to you by making a video?
Re: Heavyweights by decades
Does anyone here think Joshua would have beaten Željko Mavrović? Lewis would have sure as hell found a way to beat Andy Ruiz... that's how I measure those men.
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NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
His post directly followed mine, and Smith hadn't even posted on here yet. Easy to see how I came to my conclusion.
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TitoFan
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Master
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
His post directly followed mine, and Smith hadn't even posted on here yet. Easy to see how I came to my conclusion.
Joe Smith deleted his reply which is why it appears that way. Joe is retracting a lot of his posts now. :)
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joe smith
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Master
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
His post directly followed mine, and Smith hadn't even posted on here yet. Easy to see how I came to my conclusion.
Joe Smith deleted his reply which is why it appears that way. Joe is retracting a lot of his posts now. :)
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches 3rd time asking this, why is this taking hrs to show?
And I can't retract anything cause I can't not see advances beteeen era's
Why is primo not sane?
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joe smith
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Master
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches 3rd time asking this, why is this taking hrs to show?
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
His post directly followed mine, and Smith hadn't even posted on here yet. Easy to see how I came to my conclusion.
Joe Smith deleted his reply which is why it appears that way. Joe is retracting a lot of his posts now. :)
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches 3rd time asking this, why is this taking hrs to show?
And I can't retract anything cause I can't not see advances beteeen era's
Why is primo not sane?
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches 3rd time asking this, why is this taking hrs to show?
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Master
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
Exactly Master.
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Master
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
You think wilder beats Bowe???🤣🤣🤣
What part of "I don't see Wilder having any automatic advantage over Bowe" did you NOT understand?
I think he is on about Joe Smith who wrote it.
His post directly followed mine, and Smith hadn't even posted on here yet. Easy to see how I came to my conclusion.
Joe Smith deleted his reply which is why it appears that way. Joe is retracting a lot of his posts now. :)
Yep.
