Re: Canelo beats Benevidez.
david b is a light heavyweight now
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Benevidez was forced to go up to light heavyweight and has said he would come down the weight to face Canelo so that can not be a real excuse.
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Canelo could cement his legacy as the best Mexican fighter of his era but has refused to fight the best in his weight class.
All the experience that Canelo has its 70-30 in my eyes that he beats Benevidez anyway!
Why has the hardcore Canelo fans not shamed him for this?
Dragging up Khan, Charlo and potentially Crawford and running from an ultimate Mexican showdown in his own weightclass.
Losses to Floyd, Bivol, Lara and GGG1.
Is there anyone on here that can justifiably and honestly defend this behavior?
I've asked those same questions for years. But I'm the forum avowed "Canelo hater", so it's considered biased. :cool:
I agree with everything, except your assessment of a potential Benavidez-Canelo match. I think Benavidez wins by KTFO. Canelo knows this, too. Which is why he has avoided David B like the plague.
Why have the hardcore Canelo fans not shamed him for this? Because they're precisely that... hardcore Canelo fans. They'll find an excuse for everything Canelo does and doesn't do. It's just like a famous someone in politics I won't name.
Is there anyone on here that can justifiably and honestly defend this behavior? Simply put... no. But that doesn't stop hardcore fans from trying to "justifiably and honestly defend." It's not honest at all... but that's what Canelo fandom is all about.
Social media is chockfull of criticism of Canelo and his career. Mexican fans included. They know the difference between a true Mexican champion, and Canelo.
Canelo's M.O. has ALWAYS been about dragging the likes of Khan, Charlo, and potentially Crawford up to his weight, where he has all the advantages.
Canelo is the ultimate deck stacker, where he doesn't take a fight unless everything is stacked in his favor. HIS home turf... HIS judges... HIS terms... HIS catchweight... HIS time...
Yes. He DID lose to all those fighters you mentioned. Problem is... with Floyd and Bivol... the beating was so one-sided, not even his bought judges dared rob the winners of their victories.
Can't wait till he retires.
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Canelo could cement his legacy as the best Mexican fighter of his era but has refused to fight the best in his weight class.
All the experience that Canelo has its 70-30 in my eyes that he beats Benevidez anyway!
Why has the hardcore Canelo fans not shamed him for this?
Dragging up Khan, Charlo and potentially Crawford and running from an ultimate Mexican showdown in his own weightclass.
Losses to Floyd, Bivol, Lara and GGG1.
Is there anyone on here that can justifiably and honestly defend this behavior?
The fight is gone for good IMO, but if it did and Canelo did beat him as you say, serious question, would you give him some respect then?
No way on earth am I a Canelo fan boy, and I think a Benavidez fight at this stage of Canelo’s career is a 60-40 fight in Benavidez’s favour.
But if Canelo did win, I would have to give him props.
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Canelo's M.O. has ALWAYS been
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Benevidez was forced to go up to light heavyweight and has said he would come down the weight to face Canelo so that can not be a real excuse.
who forced him if he can come back down?
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Benevidez was forced to go up to light heavyweight and has said he would come down the weight to face Canelo so that can not be a real excuse.
who forced him if he can come back down?
C'mon TIC. You know better than that. :rolleyes: Who forced him? Who do you think? Did you expect Benavidez to grow roots waiting on Canelo? No... he had to move on with his career. Canelo waited him out, and he "won." David got tired of waiting and moved on. This isn't rocket science. Benavidez did everything but go to Canelo's house and grab him by the scruff of the neck, to force him to fight him.
Canelo ducked Benavidez shamelessly, knowing full well his loyal fans will forgive and find an excuse for everything.
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Just a shame he never displayed the same confidence and willingness to do so. King "Undisputed" couldn't even clean out the very best in his own division, just wait them out to boredom and then go on with facing his glorified showcases and now flip flop on facing a clearly weight maxed Jr middleweight. Meanwhile Benavidez stands in to next face the man who clowned Canelo like a tetherball, or the man who beats him. Unless fans are reading Canelo coloring books and star gazing at his poster on their ceiling, this will go down as a clear and undeniable duck at 168.
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Benevidez was forced to go up to light heavyweight and has said he would come down the weight to face Canelo so that can not be a real excuse.
who forced him if he can come back down?
Who forced him? Who do you think? David got tired of waiting and moved on. Benavidez did everything but go to Canelo's house and grab him by the scruff of the neck, to force him to fight him.
master said "has said he would come down the weight to face Canelo" that doesn't sound like he was forced to move up. that also doesn't sound like david has moved on. and david b didn't do everything to force canelo to fight him. when given the opportunity to choose to keep either his wbc light heavy interim or his wbc super middle interim belt he chose light heavy, instead of the super middle & trying to get his mandatory ordered, he would of course have to get in line behind william scull who canelo just vacated the ibf belt for & edgar who canelo is facing next. david should have been more disciplined & professional & not lost his belt twice, then he might have held a belt when canelo decided to move to super middle to unify. if david had of been a professional he could have tried to unify another belt or two before canelo came back to super middle in twenty twenty. after canelo's amazing run to fully unify in eleven months against three unbeaten champions he thought he'd take one last challenge against dmitry before easing into his retirement as his hall of fame career was firmly already secured
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So David should have tried harder to win a title before Canelo.conquered the division to have secured a fight with Alvarez? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter. I am sure it would not have happened regardless of what David Benevidez did.
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no david b should have been a disciplined professional & not lost his belt twice & he might have been in the mix when canelo moved back to super middle to go on his undisputed run. instead of blowing weight & using coke he could have been trying to unify. none of those champions were fighting each other
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So David should have tried harder to win a title before Canelo.conquered the division to have secured a fight with Alvarez? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter. I am sure it would not have happened regardless of what David Benevidez did.
Canelo came up with that bullshit excuse to avoid fighting guys like Benavidez. (Then again... he fought JCC Jr. and Munguia). ;) ;) Fanboys won't see that... because again, they excuse everything Ginger says and does.
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before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter.
can you show a source or canelo himself saying that before he conquered the division? i'll wait
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He said it.
End of story.
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He said it.
End of story.
i know you struggle with comprehension, master said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter"
so nothing from around that time?
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He said it.
End of story.
i know you struggle with comprehension, master said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter"
so nothing from around that time?
At least I don't struggle with fanboyism.
I'm not playing your "splitting hairs" game with you.
Point being made here is that Canelo is a chickenshit coward who makes up excuses to not fight the people in front of him that could pose a danger to his manufactured legacy. He very much did say he didn't fight fellow Mexicans as an excuse to duck the likes of Benavidez. But he had no such convictions when facing the mummy JCC Jr, and the limited Munguia.
Keep asking your dumbass questions.
Doesn't change a damn thing.
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there's no splitting hairs. master clearly said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter". you can't bring yourself to admit that canelo didn't say that before he conquered the division. you & i both know canelo cemented his legacy by unifying the division five weight classes above where he began
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there's no splitting hairs. master clearly said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter". you can't bring yourself to admit that canelo didn't say that before he conquered the division. you & i both know canelo cemented his legacy by unifying the division five weight classes above where he began
Let me be brutally frank here. Not once have I ever claimed Canelo won't go down as a boxing great. He's put in his time... he's won his big fights.
My contention with him has always been the way he carefully constructed his career. No need to go into specifics here. I've said all this a thousand times.
His hype has always exceeded his substance. He has ducked... he has marinated... he has stacked the deck... he has done everything except put himself out there fearlessly and let the chips fall where they may.
Even fellow Mexicans can't stand the dude.
He's everything that is wrong with boxing.
That he unified at 168... sure. He'll always be remembered as a great 168.
Of course, he benefitted from a group of British boxers to whom he will always be indebted.
TO YOU... he has a great legacy. To me he's just an overly hyped manufactured diva, who carefully picked and chose his opponents at HIS timing. He had the WBC and many judges in his pocket.
When he's gone... good riddance.
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TIC
there's no splitting hairs. master clearly said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter". you can't bring yourself to admit that canelo didn't say that before he conquered the division. you & i both know canelo cemented his legacy by unifying the division five weight classes above where he began
I see you fit the hardcore Canelo fan?
I’m not hating on Canelo, I just want to see the best fights.
Canelo should have fought DB and it’s definitely the biggest duck of his career.
Canelo knows he can’t go to 175 as he gets destroyed by Bivol again.
Expect Canelo to wait until the Bivol vs Beterbiev winner moves up or Beterbiev retires..then Canelo moves to 175 around 35 in a weaker division and probably fights Yarde!
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TIC
there's no splitting hairs. master clearly said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter". you can't bring yourself to admit that canelo didn't say that before he conquered the division. you & i both know canelo cemented his legacy by unifying the division five weight classes above where he began
Let me be brutally frank here. Not once have I ever claimed Canelo won't go down as a boxing great. He's put in his time... he's won his big fights.
My contention with him has always been the way he carefully constructed his career. No need to go into specifics here. I've said all this a thousand times.
His hype has always exceeded his substance. He has ducked... he has marinated... he has stacked the deck... he has done everything except put himself out there fearlessly and let the chips fall where they may.
Even fellow Mexicans can't stand the dude.
He's everything that is wrong with boxing.
That he unified at 168... sure. He'll always be remembered as a great 168.
Of course, he benefitted from a group of British boxers to whom he will always be indebted.
TO YOU... he has a great legacy. To me he's just an overly hyped manufactured diva, who carefully picked and chose his opponents at HIS timing. He had the WBC and many judges in his pocket.
When he's gone... good riddance.
Canelo will be a hall of famer.
No doubt.
Just a shame he ducked DB, took PEDS and his flaws will always be exposed by quality fighters
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TIC
there's no splitting hairs. master clearly said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter". you can't bring yourself to admit that canelo didn't say that before he conquered the division. you & i both know canelo cemented his legacy by unifying the division five weight classes above where he began
I see you fit the hardcore Canelo fan?
I’m not hating on Canelo, I just want to see the best fights.
Canelo should have fought DB and it’s definitely the biggest duck of his career.
Canelo knows he can’t go to 175 as he gets destroyed by Bivol again.
Expect Canelo to wait until the Bivol vs Beterbiev winner moves up or Beterbiev retires..then Canelo moves to 175 around 35 in a weaker division and probably fights Yarde!
i'm a hardcore boxing fan. i want to see the best fights as well. i would have liked him to fight david b as well, i also would have liked him to fight david morrell, william scull & christian mbilli. i think canelo avoided david b after he unified super middle but not because he was scared, i just think he didn't need him & after team david b's behavior & lies just didn't want to give him a payday after a certain point. i don't think canelo should be fighting above super middle, if he wasn't such a tank he would probably be better suited to middle. caneo did ofer dmitry the same terms for a rematch but dmitry turned it down, there was no counter offer from dmitry's team or any offer from his side to fight at super middle. canelo has just been reaping the rewards from his career since cementing his legacy by unifying super middle
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My contention with him has always been the way he carefully constructed his career.
His hype has always exceeded his substance. He has ducked... he has marinated... he has stacked the deck... he has done everything except put himself out there fearlessly and let the chips fall where they may.
his hype may have exceeded his substance. he didn't duck austin trout, floyd mayweather jr, erislandy lara, ggg, danny jacobs, callum, billy joe, caleb or dmitry & i'd like to see what sort of deck stacking you claim he did against any of them. he fought ggg within two years of moving to middleweight & before many others did, felix sturm, jcc jr, serio martinez, miguel cotto, billy joe saunders. you thought ggg won the first fight, canelo not only fought him he also went straight back into an immediate rematch with him
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Even fellow Mexicans can't stand the dude.
speaking for others again?
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He's everything that is wrong with boxing.
there is a lot more wrong than canelo with boxing
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Of course, he benefitted from a group of British boxers to whom he will always be indebted.
why didn't david b clean out this group of british boxers?
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TO YOU... he has a great legacy. To me he's just an overly hyped manufactured diva, who carefully picked and chose his opponents at HIS timing. He had the WBC and many judges in his pocket.
canelo has had a very good career & fought a who's who of this era. he didn't always carefully pick & choose his opponents at his timing. have you got any proof canelo had the wbc & judges in his pocket?
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there's no splitting hairs. master clearly said "before Canelo.conquered the division? I am sure Saul was saying at the time he would not face a Mexican fighter". you can't bring yourself to admit that canelo didn't say that before he conquered the division. you & i both know canelo cemented his legacy by unifying the division five weight classes above where he began
Let me be brutally frank here. Not once have I ever claimed Canelo won't go down as a boxing great. He's put in his time... he's won his big fights.
My contention with him has always been the way he carefully constructed his career. No need to go into specifics here. I've said all this a thousand times.
His hype has always exceeded his substance. He has ducked... he has marinated... he has stacked the deck... he has done everything except put himself out there fearlessly and let the chips fall where they may.
Even fellow Mexicans can't stand the dude.
He's everything that is wrong with boxing.
That he unified at 168... sure. He'll always be remembered as a great 168.
Of course, he benefitted from a group of British boxers to whom he will always be indebted.
TO YOU... he has a great legacy. To me he's just an overly hyped manufactured diva, who carefully picked and chose his opponents at HIS timing. He had the WBC and many judges in his pocket.
When he's gone... good riddance.
Canelo will be a hall of famer.
No doubt.
Just a shame he ducked DB, took PEDS and his flaws will always be exposed by quality fighters
Arturo Gatti is a HOFer also. Doesn't always mean a hell of a lot. More of a popularity contest.
His blatant duck of DB is what everyone notices... but not everyone remembers how he shamelessly marinated, avoided, or cherry-picked his way around certain fighters.
He's also a convicted cheater, although his slap on the wrist didn't amount to jackshit.
A manufactured diva. That's how many will remember him.
Some legacy...
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Why do Canelo nut huggers never praise his same day weight politicking vs already heavy underdog Angulo ;D among his greatness. Now that was some genuine BS and the type of stacking that pisses fans off. The key is the fact that Canelo is already and has been defending in hindsight. Majority of the fans etc. are in full reflection mode and shining up decade's old wins. The days of hyping and promoting what he is actually doing and where he is going have pretty much concluded. Because any fair-minded individual simply cannot.
