The knockdown.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'm in an odd situation.

A friend has been training with me for 3 weeks now.
In that time I've helped him shed a half stone and he's feeling very fit and strong, so I am delighted.
He's also agreed to have a White Collar fight on a card that I am helping to organise, so I've had him spar me and some others.
When sparring me he has no problems, I'm not really a pressure fighter and I step back a lot so he had breathing space. He's not nervous when he's in there with me so that also helps.

But last night in sparring we did spar a pressure fighter.
Matt was doing fairly well apart from constantly ducking for his knees when flurries came his way (keep in mind this was light sparring)
Toward the end of his second round he did the same, ducked low and took what I would deem a sharp tap to the temple.

He was wearing a Top ten headgear and went down, leaning over the bottom rope, identically to Jersey Joe against Marciano.
I thought fatigue had played its part, but he insisted he was dazed.

I really don't know what to think of this.
Should I allow him to fight?
I've been working defense with him for a few weeks and he hasn't really been jarred before this.
Why would he go down so heavily telling me "the ropes were spinning" from such a pulled shot?

[Salty]

I'm guessing it's his first time to a knockout spot? I remember doing some light sparring and getting hit flush with a pretty soft left hook, and felt dazed. But now I know what the feeling is like and you can sort of hide the look on your face till it passes. I'm guessing it's just a bit of an over-reaction, sort of like when you get winded for the first time and start gasping for air and panic takes over. At least it didn't happen in the bout, I think you'll just have to see if he is comfortable with it?

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'm guessing it's his first time to a knockout spot? I remember doing some light sparring and getting hit flush with a pretty soft left hook, and felt dazed. But now I know what the feeling is like and you can sort of hide the look on your face till it passes. I'm guessing it's just a bit of an over-reaction, sort of like when you get winded for the first time and start gasping for air and panic takes over. At least it didn't happen in the bout, I think you'll just have to see if he is comfortable with it?

I understand where you're coming from and I agree with most of thanks Salty.

But what I worry about is him going down from a slight tap.
There was nothing on it.

I had considered that when he was getting continuosly attacked he just gave up, lost heart and crumbled, but it does seem he was dazed - by a nothing punch!

[donnydarkoIRL]

Just bumping this up because I'd like to gain a few opinions before I decide on a course of action.

[Trainer Monkey]

I dont know how much Id worry,I had Feur sparring a girl,and she dropped this girl twice within less then a round,the girl went on to win Rough N Rowdy.
Sometimes a shot lands just right,and the lights go dim

[donnydarkoIRL]

I dont know how much Id worry,I had Feur sparring a girl,and she dropped this girl twice within less then a round,the girl went on to win Rough N Rowdy.
Sometimes a shot lands just right,and the lights go dim

Knockdowns happen I realise that although I've never expierienced it, but this was a tiny punch Monkey, really a tap.

[Trainer Monkey]

I dont know how much Id worry,I had Feur sparring a girl,and she dropped this girl twice within less then a round,the girl went on to win Rough N Rowdy.
Sometimes a shot lands just right,and the lights go dim

Knockdowns happen I realise that although I've never expierienced it, but this was a tiny punch Monkey, really a tap.

Honest,when I first started sparring again,I got caught with a couple of shots early on that led to flash knockdowns,one minute everythings going well,the next your thinking"How did I get down here?"But as I sparred more,I just redeveloped the ability to blow those shots off.
Im assuming your local commision is going to ask for an MRI anyway,if that comes back clean,dont sweat it.
I would make him spar more,just to get him more accustomed to taking those shots

[donnydarkoIRL]

Honest,when I first started sparring again,I got caught with a couple of shots early on that led to flash knockdowns,one minute everythings going well,the next your thinking"How did I get down here?"But as I sparred more,I just redeveloped the ability to blow those shots off.
Im assuming your local commision is going to ask for an MRI anyway,if that comes back clean,dont sweat it.
I would make him spar more,just to get him more accustomed to taking those shots

Perhaps,
I'll see what his attitude is like in a week when he's back in the gym, if he wants to I'll help him, but there is doubt in me now.

There will be no MRI, it was in private sparring.

[Trainer Monkey]

Honest,when I first started sparring again,I got caught with a couple of shots early on that led to flash knockdowns,one minute everythings going well,the next your thinking"How did I get down here?"But as I sparred more,I just redeveloped the ability to blow those shots off.
Im assuming your local commision is going to ask for an MRI anyway,if that comes back clean,dont sweat it.
I would make him spar more,just to get him more accustomed to taking those shots

Perhaps,
I'll see what his attitude is like in a week when he's back in the gym, if he wants to I'll help him, but there is doubt in me now.

There will be no MRI, it was in private sparring.

Sorry,quite a few commisions ask for one,just to liscence you,so I was assuming.
See how he reacts to a few more sessions then,if it keeps happening,then Id start to worry..
Do yourself a favour and ask him if he's ever been diagnosed with a concussion before

[donnydarkoIRL]

Sorry,quite a few commisions ask for one,just to liscence you,so I was assuming.
See how he reacts to a few more sessions then,if it keeps happening,then Id start to worry..
Do yourself a favour and ask him if he's ever been diagnosed with a concussion before

I'll ask him although I seriously doubt it.

[Trainer Monkey]

Sorry,quite a few commisions ask for one,just to liscence you,so I was assuming.
See how he reacts to a few more sessions then,if it keeps happening,then Id start to worry..
Do yourself a favour and ask him if he's ever been diagnosed with a concussion before

I'll ask him although I seriously doubt it.

Reason I asked you to ask,different guys react differently to getting concussed,some pop back up like nothing happened at all,you'll talk to them after the fight and their as clear as a clear blue sky,some develop an off switch and are just spending the rest of their careers looking for a comfortable piece of canvas to take a nap on.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Reason I asked you to ask,different guys react differently to getting concussed,some pop back up like nothing happened at all,you'll talk to them after the fight and their as clear as a clear blue sky,some develop an off switch and are just spending the rest of their careers looking for a comfortable piece of canvas to take a nap on.

I had a mild one myself Saturday.
I've had a concussion but never touched down.
He took a small pop and I reckon he was down for 10 seconds just kneeling as if he was praying, but bent forward, arm in rope.

[Trainer Monkey]

Reason I asked you to ask,different guys react differently to getting concussed,some pop back up like nothing happened at all,you'll talk to them after the fight and their as clear as a clear blue sky,some develop an off switch and are just spending the rest of their careers looking for a comfortable piece of canvas to take a nap on.

I had a mild one myself Saturday.
I've had a concussion but never touched down.
He took a small pop and I reckon he was down for 10 seconds just kneeling as if he was praying, but bent forward, arm in rope.

Could also be water drain if he's tried to lose weight recently,happened to Feur against Seivert,happened to Andrew against Dumas

[donnydarkoIRL]

I make sure he drinks plenty, but I don't know what his intake is like when not in the gym.

Fatigue may have a lot to do with it.

[Trainer Monkey]

I make sure he drinks plenty, but I don't know what his intake is like when not in the gym.

Fatigue may have a lot to do with it.

Yeah Feur was coming off the flu and was total weight drained,Andrew sauna suited himself down to make weight.
Both of them ended up going ass over teacups for it,theres a reason I more or less have Andrews training on lockdown now