Vic Ortiz Fired, He's beating DLH too much!!

[Pacdbest2]

DE LA HOYA FIRES SPARRING PARTNER|Inside Sports

I don't believe all these stories but these is fun. Roach was also very confident that Pac will win he's almost guaranteeing it.

[Pacdbest2]

Roach exuded confidence and went to the extent of saying “I don’t know if I am crazy but I can’t see any way that Oscar can last with Manny Pacquiao. The way Manny is attacking his opponents. He is very focused, working very hard and I am really confident. Maybe too much.”


Roach continued “the way Manny is preparing for this fight I have never seen him like this. He has moved down to 152 pounds and you should see his body. Not an ounce of fat on him. He is very strong. Everything is right on schedule.”


The two-time “Trainer of the Year” said they have figured out that they have toget past De La Hoya’s jab adding “who in the world doesn’t know we have to get past the jab and go to his body.?” But that, in the eyes of Roach “isn’t a problem.”

[Gandalf]

Ive never liked this matchup. DLH would be a good joker if you put some makeup on him. Anyway, I hope Pac wins but its a lot more hoping than expecting.

[OumaFan]

Ortiz is with GBP right? Maybe I'm cynical but this could increase interest in the DLH/Pac fight by making DLH seem vulnerable and at the same time hype up Victor Ortiz which is necessary since they seem to have forgotten that he actually needs to have fights. In a ring.

That was probably a lot of gibberish. I don't even know why I decided to post on this thread.

[DatsiK]

Interesting read...

'In fact WBO champion Gerry Penalosa’s manager Billy Keane told us earlier that Khan’s handspeed appeared to give Pacquiao a few problems at the start of their first sparring session'.

I guess Pacquiao can only be thankful Oscar's speed isn't what it used to be then.

Good to hear Khan is giving a champion some problems also, Khan will be back! But that's for another thread.

[C-Lo]

Anyone else notice Freddie Roach's fighters have lost everytime they've been featured on a 24/7 series? Oscar lost against Floyd and Bernard lost to Joe.

[Majesty]

Roach should be less worried about the Night of the Jab and more worried about Oscar's left hook

[amat]

Was there a Hopkins-Calzaghe 24/7? I only watched the Hatton-Mayweather one.

[Taeth]

Anyone else notice Freddie Roach's fighters have lost everytime they've been featured on a 24/7 series? Oscar lost against Floyd and Bernard lost to Joe.

Bernard lost to who?

[Taeth]

Also I didn't think Calzaghe-Hopkins was 24/7 I thought only Mayweather-De La Hoya and Mayweather-Hatton were, I thought Jones-Calzaghe was the next one.

[Kev]

Well if Roach has said this I think you can now comfortably put your house on Oscar winning in style.

This is the same Roach after all who claimed Isreal Vazquez shouldn't have been allowed to take the first rematch with Rafael Marquez because he was slurring his words and couldn't breathe properly still.

The same guy who said Bernard Hopkins shouldn't be fighting Kelly Pavlik because he was losing it and kept going to the wrong corner in the Calzaghe fight, a possible sign of being punchy.

The same guy who said James Toney should retire because his pitutary gland was fucked and that he was in serious danger of being hurt.

Now he says Oscar is being beat up in sparring.


Ok so what's the common theme here. Well how about this. All four of them were trained by Roach for big fights.

Vazquez vs Marquez 1
Hopkins vs Calzaghe
Toney vs Peter 1 & 2 (and a lot before)
Oscar vs Floyd

All four lost under Freddie Roach..

All four then let Freddi Roach go, his golden eggs being taken away from him.


Then Freddie always comes up with a reason why that fighter is finished and really shouldn't be fighting any more.

Also all 4 have gone on to win impressively without him afterwards, although Toney's win over Rahman was later ruled a no contest.


Sour grapes?

Couldn't be, could it?

[p4pking]

Well if Roach has said this I think you can now comfortably put your house on Oscar winning in style.

This is the same Roach after all who claimed Isreal Vazquez shouldn't have been allowed to take the first rematch with Rafael Marquez because he was slurring his words and couldn't breathe properly still.

The same guy who said Bernard Hopkins shouldn't be fighting Kelly Pavlik because he was losing it and kept going to the wrong corner in the Calzaghe fight, a possible sign of being punchy.

The same guy who said James Toney should retire because his pitutary gland was fucked and that he was in serious danger of being hurt.

Now he says Oscar is being beat up in sparring.


Ok so what's the common theme here. Well how about this. All four of them were trained by Roach for big fights.

Vazquez vs Marquez 1
Hopkins vs Calzaghe
Toney vs Peter 1 & 2 (and a lot before)
Oscar vs Floyd

All four lost under Freddie Roach..

All four then let Freddi Roach go, his golden eggs being taken away from him.


Then Freddie always comes up with a reason why that fighter is finished and really shouldn't be fighting any more.

Also all 4 have gone on to win impressively without him afterwards, although Toney's win over Rahman was later ruled a no contest.


Sour grapes?

Couldn't be, could it?

Haha yeah it's pretty ridiculous when you lay it out like that. I always thought Freddie was a good man and he just legitimately got worried for his fighters, perhaps overly, which wouldn't neccesarily be a negative on him... But I really hadnt thought much about his track record behind such statements. Then again, in this case it isn't neccesarily sour grapes as his job is still to train Manny which means doing everything to ensure he is confident of winning, regardless what you have to say about the other guy.

[Kev]

Well if Roach has said this I think you can now comfortably put your house on Oscar winning in style.

This is the same Roach after all who claimed Isreal Vazquez shouldn't have been allowed to take the first rematch with Rafael Marquez because he was slurring his words and couldn't breathe properly still.

The same guy who said Bernard Hopkins shouldn't be fighting Kelly Pavlik because he was losing it and kept going to the wrong corner in the Calzaghe fight, a possible sign of being punchy.

The same guy who said James Toney should retire because his pitutary gland was fucked and that he was in serious danger of being hurt.

Now he says Oscar is being beat up in sparring.


Ok so what's the common theme here. Well how about this. All four of them were trained by Roach for big fights.

Vazquez vs Marquez 1
Hopkins vs Calzaghe
Toney vs Peter 1 & 2 (and a lot before)
Oscar vs Floyd

All four lost under Freddie Roach..

All four then let Freddi Roach go, his golden eggs being taken away from him.


Then Freddie always comes up with a reason why that fighter is finished and really shouldn't be fighting any more.

Also all 4 have gone on to win impressively without him afterwards, although Toney's win over Rahman was later ruled a no contest.


Sour grapes?

Couldn't be, could it?

Haha yeah it's pretty ridiculous when you lay it out like that. I always thought Freddie was a good man and he just legitimately got worried for his fighters, perhaps overly, which wouldn't neccesarily be a negative on him... But I really hadnt thought much about his track record behind such statements. Then again, in this case it isn't neccesarily sour grapes as his job is still to train Manny which means doing everything to ensure he is confident of winning, regardless what you have to say about the other guy.

Trust me as soon as he and Manny split he'll be telling us that's he's slipping badly, and shouldn't be fighting any more.

[Taeth]

Interesting read...

'In fact WBO champion Gerry Penalosa’s manager Billy Keane told us earlier that Khan’s handspeed appeared to give Pacquiao a few problems at the start of their first sparring session'.

I guess Pacquiao can only be thankful Oscar's speed isn't what it used to be then.

Good to hear Khan is giving a champion some problems also, Khan will be back! But that's for another thread.

Why? Oscar was never faster then Amir Khan, and what you wrote was misleading, because it said Manny was soon able to deal with Amir speed.

I also think Roach brings up valid points

Hopkins is 43, whether he is getting hit a lot or not he has still been fighting for 20+ years, and that is bad for your brain, especially at the top level of the sport.
James Toney gets hit a lot, and many of the guys don't get ailments from the sport until later on.

Its like people who tan a lot or eat lots of sugar, the body works in a way that it will affect you down the road, Muhammad ali didn't have Parkinson's right after his last fight. I guarantee half the guys Roach is worried about will have significant brain problems as they got older.

Also why couldn't Oscar be being beaten by Victor Ortiz? Have you seen Victor Ortiz fight? He fast, and hits hard. I could see him not necessarily beating Oscar up, but pushing him more than he would like to be pushed for that long.

Freddie Roach is a great trainer, he did everything he could with Oscar, but it was Oscar's fault he didn't follow through with the game plan.

Hopkins in better shape against Wright then he did against Calzaghe. I think Roach did a good job with Hopkins.

What he has done with Pacquaio is amazing, he has made Pacquaio into a very good somewhat technical fighter from an all out bomber.

[Gandalf]

Anyone else notice Freddie Roach's fighters have lost everytime they've been featured on a 24/7 series? Oscar lost against Floyd and Bernard lost to Joe.

Bernard lost to who?

A Welsh fighter by the name of Joe Calzaghe. Had that Bernard guy huffing and puffing and hugging like a flaming queen, he did. Good fighter, check him out sometime.