Who comes close to being a "perfect fighter?"

[holmcall]

For me, Salavador Sanchez had speed, power, ring smarts, great sideways and in-and-out movement, stamina and an iron chiin. He comes very close IMO.

Who do you think fits the bill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCvazd6AVU

[Violent Demise]

"El Finito" Ricardo Lopez.

[holmcall]

"El Finito" Ricardo Lopez.

Good one. Him, too!

[JazMerkin]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

[Violent Demise]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

[JazMerkin]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

[porkypara]

Duran seemed to have it all in his prime.Also Ray Leonard at welter weight.



Sonny Liston at his best ticked all the boxes as well.

[Violent Demise]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

A perfect fighter needs to have one punch power. So that would eliminate Ali

[Kirkland Laing]

Duran at lightweight.

[ICB]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

[JazMerkin]

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

A perfect fighter needs to have one punch power. So that would eliminate Ali

I don't think Salvador Sanchez had great one punch power, although it was better than Ali's, he tended to break guys down systematically in most of his fights.

Michael Spinks was a pretty complete fighter at LHW. I disagree with Duran though. For me a perfect fighter never does what he does in his 2nd fight with Leonard.

[fan johnny]

Duran at lightweight.

I agree! Jones is another choice but I always liked Duran

[ICB]

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

A perfect fighter needs to have one punch power. So that would eliminate Ali

I don't think Salvador Sanchez had great one punch power, although it was better than Ali's, he tended to break guys down systematically in most of his fights.

Michael Spinks was a pretty complete fighter at LHW. I disagree with Duran though. For me a perfect fighter never does what he does in his 2nd fight with Leonard.

You might aswell say an almost perfect fighter like Muhammad Ali, wouldn't have gotten close decision win off fighters like Doug Jones. But the fact is even fighters that look unbeatable on one night, can look very beatable in another fight, even the greatest have off nights or a style that cancel's there one out. And personally i don't think Muhammad Ali is anywhere near close, to the perfect fighter by the way.

[JazMerkin]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

I agree on the first 3.

However, Jones lacked the urge to finish fights when he could have at times, & I think that means he can't be.

Toney has all the natural physical abilities to be a perfect fighter but his lack of interest in conditioning & so on means he loses out for me.

Holmes is close, although I'm sceptical whether his handspeed was good enough to make him 'perfect'.

Arguello I agree on.

[ICB]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

I agree on the first 3.

However, Jones lacked the urge to finish fights when he could have at times, & I think that means he can't be.

Toney has all the natural physical abilities to be a perfect fighter but his lack of interest in conditioning & so on means he loses out for me.

Holmes is close, although I'm sceptical whether his handspeed was good enough to make him 'perfect'.

Arguello I agree on.

Im actually on about on there best night Jaz, like the James Toney that took apart Iran Barkley. Or the Roy Jones Jr that would destroy fighters, before the Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan incident made him cautious, like when he dismantled Thomas Tate for example. Or the Larry Holmes that took apart Earnie Shavers in there first fight, i think Larry Holmes is easily in top 10 for the fastest Heavyweights of all time.