Who comes close to being a "perfect fighter?"

[Violent Demise]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

[JazMerkin]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

[porkypara]

Duran seemed to have it all in his prime.Also Ray Leonard at welter weight.



Sonny Liston at his best ticked all the boxes as well.

[Violent Demise]

Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonard both appeared to have it all. I think people underestimate Ali's power, so I'd have him there as well.

Both the two already mentioned also fit the bill as well. Hagler didn't really have any weaknesses, but I wouldn't see he was on the same level as the others. Mayweather at the lower weights seemed to have it all. If the little footage I've seen is something to go by, then add Charley Burley to that list.

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

A perfect fighter needs to have one punch power. So that would eliminate Ali

[Kirkland Laing]

Duran at lightweight.

[fan johnny]

Duran at lightweight.

I agree! Jones is another choice but I always liked Duran

[ICB]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

[JazMerkin]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

I agree on the first 3.

However, Jones lacked the urge to finish fights when he could have at times, & I think that means he can't be.

Toney has all the natural physical abilities to be a perfect fighter but his lack of interest in conditioning & so on means he loses out for me.

Holmes is close, although I'm sceptical whether his handspeed was good enough to make him 'perfect'.

Arguello I agree on.

[ICB]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

I agree on the first 3.

However, Jones lacked the urge to finish fights when he could have at times, & I think that means he can't be.

Toney has all the natural physical abilities to be a perfect fighter but his lack of interest in conditioning & so on means he loses out for me.

Holmes is close, although I'm sceptical whether his handspeed was good enough to make him 'perfect'.

Arguello I agree on.

Im actually on about on there best night Jaz, like the James Toney that took apart Iran Barkley. Or the Roy Jones Jr that would destroy fighters, before the Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan incident made him cautious, like when he dismantled Thomas Tate for example. Or the Larry Holmes that took apart Earnie Shavers in there first fight, i think Larry Holmes is easily in top 10 for the fastest Heavyweights of all time.

[JazMerkin]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

I agree on the first 3.

However, Jones lacked the urge to finish fights when he could have at times, & I think that means he can't be.

Toney has all the natural physical abilities to be a perfect fighter but his lack of interest in conditioning & so on means he loses out for me.

Holmes is close, although I'm sceptical whether his handspeed was good enough to make him 'perfect'.

Arguello I agree on.

Im actually on about on there best night Jaz, like the James Toney that took apart Iran Barkley. Or the Roy Jones Jr that would destroy fighters, before the Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan incident. Or the Larry Holmes that took apart Earnie Shavers in there first fight, i think Larry Holmes is easily in top 10 for the fastest Heavyweights of all time.

Yeah, but you said in the previous post that they could have off-nights. I know you're a fan of all those fighters but the fact is looking at their careers, even their primes, those are all deficiencies they have. I don't think Holmes had great handspeed, he had fantastic punch accuracy which I think made up for it, but I really don't think he had great handspeed.

[johnmaff36]

Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Larry Holmes
Alexis Arguello

Are some that come to mind.

I agree on the first 3.

However, Jones lacked the urge to finish fights when he could have at times, & I think that means he can't be.

Toney has all the natural physical abilities to be a perfect fighter but his lack of interest in conditioning & so on means he loses out for me.

Holmes is close, although I'm sceptical whether his handspeed was good enough to make him 'perfect'.

Arguello I agree on.

Im actually on about on there best night Jaz, like the James Toney that took apart Iran Barkley. Or the Roy Jones Jr that would destroy fighters, before the Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan incident made him cautious, like when he dismantled Thomas Tate for example. Or the Larry Holmes that took apart Earnie Shavers in there first fight, i think Larry Holmes is easily in top 10 for the fastest Heavyweights of all time.

no question Holmes is fast. no question. Top 5 nevermind top 10. I think he was a little underated but then again he'd only himself to blame for that by having so many soft defences and not fighting to unify the heavyweight title. Great boxer though and great heart. How he got up from earnie shavers right hand still amazes me, more so each time i watch it

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Mayorga is up there too! Charisma, blinding speed, inpenetrable defense, along with ring generalship, comes almost as close to perfect as it gets IMO.

[jon09]

IMO Sugar Ray Robinson does it for me. He has knocked out fighters walking backwards and fought every fighter in his era including being undefeated in the amateurs and only got knocked out once and that was from heat exhaustion in 200 fights. He is the fighter Ali tried to emulate. A prime Archie Moore was impressive also.

[Andre]

You guys have covered most of them Alexi A, R Lopez recently etc.

A few Ive only read about that may fit the bill;

Tough times for some divisions!
Some would say Willie pep but really although an amazing technician Saddler a fighter with a large reach had his measure more than once,so to call Pep in as a perfect fighter its like trying to call Barrera or Moralles into line above the other,you cant do it ,well I cant.


Vincente Salvidar from Mexico took the featherweight crown in 64 off of Ramos ,Sugar Ramos from Cuba who had held the title after stopping and unfortunatley ending the life of Davey Moore.
Anyway Salvidar defended it eight times retired unbeaten.Then he comes back in 1970 abd fights a cuban champion and also Johhny Famechon who had the title twice from the fighting HArada. And wins it again then retires!
(Who was that masked man)





Gene Tunney well you know that story,there are some detractors / via the human windmill Harry Creb.Creb Took Gene to the cleaners and outsmarted and out fought him. But to Genes credit he went away and worked out how to beat Harry which he did on four other occasions!


HArry Creb could easily fall into place here too, it was proven beyond doubt that he fought with only one eye for many many years against his opposition in thoise times that has to be perfect fighting.



Len Harvey, he was a small fly weight as a boy and has the distinction of fighting through all the weights!

He eventally fought for the British heavyweight title and gave away 13 kg or 29lb! to JAck Peterson who lost his first fight and the title to Len on that day
.Len soon went on and took the British Empire HEavyweight title form Canadian Larry Gains.

Then he lost both titles back to Peterson who won in 12 over a cut eye stoppage.

Then Len took the british version of the world light heavy title off Jock Mc avoy.
Len Harvey started pro in 1920, this bloke fought his way 'mostly successfully' through all the weights.His last fight was a come back after 3 years out of the rig and he was stopped for the first time in 133 fights some of the earlier fights 20 rounders!




Marcciano 49/0/0
Stopped 43 of them inside the distance at 5'10" and 13st 2Lbs !
you cant ignore that, for the tough times and era too, he must have been something special.




JAck Britton fought over 22 years from 1915 and fought 299 fights he have to be a great fighter to last that long in those times.Records say he was a fantastic counter boxer and classic boxer.

Rounds were longer and harder back then.

[JazMerkin]

Don't agree with Ali. His power was weak compare to other top Heavyweights

I don't think he had great one punch power, but he was able to break a lot of guys down over a fight, so I'd give him it on that basis.

A perfect fighter needs to have one punch power. So that would eliminate Ali

I don't think Salvador Sanchez had great one punch power, although it was better than Ali's, he tended to break guys down systematically in most of his fights.

Michael Spinks was a pretty complete fighter at LHW. I disagree with Duran though. For me a perfect fighter never does what he does in his 2nd fight with Leonard.