Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

[Gandalf]

I just thought I would start a thread to see where people are at with their thinking on Manny Pac. Has his reputation suffered as a result of his refusal to go through with random testing and having seemingly avoided a fight with Mayweather?

[Gandalf]

I like polls so make sure you get your votes in. BTW, Mossad members are not allowed to vote because they are not very nice people.

[generalbulldog]

Nah, not really. People are just pissed that the FLoyd fight was off, I'm pretty sure it would die down.

Holyfield was more than likely on PEDs when he whipped Tyson's ass, but people still love him. Roy Jones failed a drug test but in a recent thread he got nothing but love from the people and every other boxing forum I've been too.

Shane Mosley was connected to Balco and admitted to using PEDs, and yet he still has a load of fans including this forum hoping that he will beat Floyd.

Then there's Trinidad who tried to load up his gloves/wraps in the Hopkins fight but he still has fans, even the ones on here.

[mnmc10]

im pretty much disgusted that pac refused pbf's terms, he shouldve taken the tests.

but here in the philippines it didnt affected pacs stature. oh yes not at all! people here think that pbf made too many excuses and thought the if pbf really wanted it then he should accept whatever pac presented on the table.

i also saw in the news that even foreign fans still line up to meet pac. its as if nothing happened!

even here in saddo im surprised that a lot still defends pac. yes its been mentioned a million times that pac is a cheat thanks to the haters ofcourse. but to most all are just allegations. and to some(like 4 forumers) pac is already guilty.

[amat]

Trinidad did not try to load his gloves up, at least not in the same sense as Margarito. Naazim Richardson clarified it himself, it was just a different method of wrapping that wasn't approved here.

Anyways, Sugar Ray Leonard was a cokehead and that was in the public, and his reputation didn't take a serious long term hit, Pacquiao will be fine. In the present though, his approval numbers would definitely be down if he had them.

[ross]

I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that

[Gandalf]

I was neutral on Floyd and Manny before hand, in fact if you check my history youll see iv "hated" on Floyd

So I have absolutely no bias towards Floyd but manny has made himself look a cuunt!!

I hate the little turd now, the only people defending him are Phillipino because hes their hero but even then they are doing it blindly knowing or thinking deep down why he was so against random blood testing.

Hes just done it for Clottey but 20 days out, whos to say he hasnt taken something the very next day?

Thats why he was so against randoms because he wouldnt be able to do that

If having a dislike of both fighters can be classed as neutral then I guess I was pretty neutral. After the Cotto fight I really did say to hell with it and decided I would even support him against Floyd, but after this whole debacle I have gone the other way. I hold Manny with deep suspicion and don't trust anything that comes out of his camp because of the appalling inconsistency and contradictions.

There is no doubt in my eyes that he has fallen, but I was curious to know where others were at, whence the thread.

[blegit]

Trinidad did not try to load his gloves up, at least not in the same sense as Margarito. Naazim Richardson clarified it himself, it was just a different method of wrapping that wasn't approved here.

Anyways, Sugar Ray Leonard was a cokehead and that was in the public, and his reputation didn't take a serious long term hit, Pacquiao will be fine. In the present though, his approval numbers would definitely be down if he had them.

Yeah, if I recall correctly Trinidad tried to put tape directly on his skin in his palm. Basically he was trying to put excess tape under his gauze. This makes for a harder fist. Its like holding something and making a fist. Its against the rules but its not what you think of as loading.

[Master]

I became a fan of Pac man after his victory over Cotto, but him not taking the random testing has me seriously doubt what he has achieved. So yes.

[15rounder]

What's been going on with this Pacman situation is the same damn thing that happens when some batshit insane preacher starts shooting his mouth off about how Hurricane Katrina was sent by god to destroy the city of New Orleans because he hates riverboat gambling. All this has done for Manny (and Floyd) is pull his supporters closer to him and push his detractors farther away. So in short, the people who love him now love him more...and the people who hate him...well you get it. It all evens out. No harm done long term.

[Dizaster]

What's been going on with this Pacman situation is the same damn thing that happens when some batshit insane preacher starts shooting his mouth off about how Hurricane Katrina was sent by god to destroy the city of New Orleans because he hates riverboat gambling. All this has done for Manny (and Floyd) is pull his supporters closer to him and push his detractors farther away. So in short, the people who love him now love him more...and the people who hate him...well you get it. It all evens out. No harm done long term.

I have to beg to differ there.. As I said above, I was a giant Manny fan, but this crap didn't bring me any closer to him, or make me dislike Floyd any more.. It's just two guys with their heads so far up their asses that we as paying boxing fans miss out on something grand.. You don't see this sh!t from young up and coming hungry boxers.. You see it from rich diva's who can take or leave possibly the biggest paying fight in history... How 'bout giving back to the fans who have supported them from the bottom to the top...

[KKisser]

What's been going on with this Pacman situation is the same damn thing that happens when some batshit insane preacher starts shooting his mouth off about how Hurricane Katrina was sent by god to destroy the city of New Orleans because he hates riverboat gambling. All this has done for Manny (and Floyd) is pull his supporters closer to him and push his detractors farther away. So in short, the people who love him now love him more...and the people who hate him...well you get it. It all evens out. No harm done long term.

I have to beg to differ there.. As I said above, I was a giant Manny fan, but this crap didn't bring me any closer to him, or make me dislike Floyd any more.. It's just two guys with their heads so far up their asses that we as paying boxing fans miss out on something grand.. You don't see this sh!t from young up and coming hungry boxers.. You see it from rich diva's who can take or leave possibly the biggest paying fight in history... How 'bout giving back to the fans who have supported them from the bottom to the top...

what happened didn't endear pacquiao to me too. imo he should've just accepted the 14-day window and throw the ball back in mayweather's court, but he acted like a diva the same as floyd who should have accepted the 24 days (14 days and 24 days, what's the difference?), so many are pissed that the fight didn't materialize. totally agree about giving back to the fans which should be the case. long time ago pacquiao would have accepted any conditions for even a fraction of what he would've gotten in this fight, so i guess his status has somewhat gone to his head. members of pac's team really made a mess of the whole thing with different statements and reasons that came out. for the record, pac never said he's afraid of needles. he just doesn't like blood taken from him too close to the fight because he feels it weakens him. yes, pac's reputation has taken some hit but nothing really serious unless something comes out that would prove he's really into peds. and, 15rounder's statement about pac's supporters and detractors is only true of nuthuggers and haters.

[Gandalf]

What's been going on with this Pacman situation is the same damn thing that happens when some batshit insane preacher starts shooting his mouth off about how Hurricane Katrina was sent by god to destroy the city of New Orleans because he hates riverboat gambling. All this has done for Manny (and Floyd) is pull his supporters closer to him and push his detractors farther away. So in short, the people who love him now love him more...and the people who hate him...well you get it. It all evens out. No harm done long term.

I have to beg to differ there.. As I said above, I was a giant Manny fan, but this crap didn't bring me any closer to him, or make me dislike Floyd any more.. It's just two guys with their heads so far up their asses that we as paying boxing fans miss out on something grand.. You don't see this sh!t from young up and coming hungry boxers.. You see it from rich diva's who can take or leave possibly the biggest paying fight in history... How 'bout giving back to the fans who have supported them from the bottom to the top...

what happened didn't endear pacquiao to me. imo he should've just accepted the 14-day window and throw the ball back in mayweather's court, but he acted like a diva the same as floyd who should have accepted the 24 days (14 days and 24 days, what's the difference?), so many are pissed that the fight didn't materialize. totally agree about giving back to the fans which should be the case. long time ago pacquiao would have accepted any conditions for even a fraction of what he would've gotten in this fight, so i guess his status has somewhat gone to his head. members of pac's team really made a mess of the whole thing with different statements and reasons that came out. for the record, pac never said he's afraid of needles. he just doesn't like blood taken from him too close to the fight because he feels it weakens him. yes, pac's reputation has taken some hit but nothing really serious unless something comes out that would prove he's really into peds. and, 15rounder's statement about pac's supporters and detractors is only true of nuthuggers and haters.

I disagree, I think his rep has taken a horrible hit and it won't come back. Unless he can prove himself a decent kind of guy then he has screwed his entire career. We can all say it will just go away, but I am not going away and I will speak exactly what I feel as will others too. It's easy to say "Ooh the judges say he beat Marquez in the second fight" as well. Sorry, it's just not reality. I like the fact that people on this forum can actually think critically and I like the fact that Manny is being given no easy pass.

Look at the votes, Manny's rep has taken a severe hit and I will do the same poll several years later and let the facts speak for themselves. Opinions won't change, unless Manny fights Floyd and allows random testing.

[Galaxy]

His reputation will always be tainted imo. I will never call him a cheater until there is proof but the question will always be there...

After his destruction of Cotto I thought he was absolutely amazing! He still wasn't one of my favorite fighters but he was a brilliant fighter! But that was short lived as now by refusing to take the tests I will always be asking what he was trying to hide? & if indeed anything had gone on, how far back? From the Ledwaba fight onwards Pacquiao has fought brilliantly!

Ability? Or something else? I don't know

[KananKrus]

His reputation will always be tainted imo. I will never call him a cheater until there is proof but the question will always be there...

After his destruction of Cotto I thought he was absolutely amazing! He still wasn't one of my favorite fighters but he was a brilliant fighter! But that was short lived as now by refusing to take the tests I will always be asking what he was trying to hide? & if indeed anything had gone on, how far back? From the Ledwaba fight onwards Pacquiao has fought brilliantly!

Ability? Or something else? I don't know

Floyd Mayweather Sr. and his gang of scholars attests and swears by it, so it must be something else.

Ability... nah, only the fans believe all that, and they are fools, right?