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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
Its impossible.
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
Youve just exposed yourself with that joke of a scorecard.. Lol during the fight, most people were shaking their head at lederman's scores... Yet here you are, being proud of coming up with the same foolish scores.. Haha ur a foo and a follower.
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
No way on earth can you be serious. Justify how you give 8 rounds to Pacquiao.
It's impossible.
One of the worst decisions in recent memory. A real black eye for boxing.
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
i don't like current boxing scorecards stuff, i think that is very dangerous when judges don't score close rounds as tied rounds and when they score a clear round just 10 9
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You have to do more than what JMM just did against a champion especially in the stature of a Manny Pacquiao to win an outright decision. Purely self opinion on my part!
Pre fight, Dinamita planned to leave the outcome of the fight out of the hands of the judges and yet all he did was back pedal and counter, albeit beautifully, all night. Sadly, this scheme was all he wanted to do... and all he was willing to risk! Regardless that it has already been previously established that based on the wins awarded to his oponent in these tightly contested fights, the agressor and his opponent, is the one given the nod.
Pac wins purely by being the aggressor! The one by which with the slightest of ring fan's outcries will immeditely seek to be the aggressor and bring the fight on and taking risks in an ironically for Manny, a high-risk but low-reward type of a duel.
Pacquiao's main thing though in this fight, is not to be "the" Montiel to a "Dinamita Donaire". To be COUNTER PUNKED, uncrowned out of his lofty perch!
Nowadays, Juan Manuel clearly can no longer outsmart a savvy version of Pac. Relying on Pacquiao being too overly aggressive to the point of recklessness was no smart move, for it never happened and assuredly, can no longer happen as it had in the past particularly as in the second round of their second fight.
When this carelessness did not materialize, the warrior in Marquez should have had been summoned instead and engaged Pac in a savage knockout slugfest.
Had this happen, and the fight's outcome still close, I would not have a problem with Juan Manuel Marquez winning it. He is, by the way the greatest of all Mexican warriors to ever lace it.
Did it happen though?
Sadly, No! Cautiousness and respect on each fighter robbed us of a better fight and cautiousness and respect too, evidently, got the better of a more decisive result!
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
Ok then. That's 5 people on the planet who though pac won. Anyone else?
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
i think that in boxing it has been shown that aggresiveness is overrated, and defense and skill are underrated, efficiency is underrated, good boxers have won many key fights, ali beat liston, beat foreman, holyfield beat tyson, leonard beat hearns, etc
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and klitschkos beat anyone since the powerful tactician lewis
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was there a super fight with mayweather on the cards? Think of the money they'd make!!
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
How could anyone give Pacquaio round 6? Manny won the fight, but he was lacklustre and not as focused as i have seen him before. I had it 115-113
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
He was focused on landing his right hook but other than that he was the same old manny who fought marquez back in 2004. He was predictably throwing the same double jab and left straight when he got frustrated and was hesitant after getting tagged with marquez's counter hooks. Between spurts of 2004 aggressive manny and an improved footwork and dodging ability he was still the same old pac who fought against the previous 2 iterations of marquez. Only now he wasn't able to kd jmm.Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
You had Manny winning too?
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Marquez put on a clinic and at BEST pac won four rounds that's it, that's bein generous to pac, he was made to look amateurish and maybe he won this fight if it was in the amateurs but this was a pro fight where you score landing blows and I didn't see pac land but two or three of those and jmm basically schooled him, this is a robbery on par with all the other ones like jcc whitakes, lewis holyfield its bogus , the crowd knew it, roach knows it, eveb pac knew it
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Re: I saw it like Lederman did.
Yeah.
Im absolutely bewildered how anybody cannot see that Juan won that by at least 4 rounds minimum. 6 if they really know how to score.
I wonder what they see ? Do they get excited each time Manny jumps and throws so they blink? Is the speed too much for their eyes to see that they just didnt land as clean as Juans replies?
Or is it clean counter punching they cant see because they score a soft shot they cant dismiss it with the harder reply?
Or do they score an initiating shot only?
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