Nothing more frustrating then a coach who wil not move forward

[Gray Lion]

I have read with great interest, comments in this forum about shadow boxing blindfolded.
I keep up with new training techniques being tried in Europe, Russia, and all over the world. I read where trainers are using Cocoa Butter instead of vaseline and getting better results.
I have attended training seminars where new exercises are getting better results then some of the older ones.
What is frustrating is to have the Head Coach, or other coaches listen, then shrug their shoulders and say "We have always done it this way", and are not willing to try.
I hope some of you guys who move into training others, keep an open mind. I remember when we chopped trees, lifted buckets of water to learn uppercuts, dug ditches, and pushed cars.....old methods...and training advanced beyond that.
I had one coach who did not believe in any weight training at all...nothing beyond 30 lbs. His thing was running..whcih is great, but in the ring, his fighters had no punch power. Finally he let me take two 'cast off" fighters and work with them for a year. They came back into the ring as winners and hard hitters.
Keep an open mind..if it's new, find out as much as you can and try it...if it doesn't work...ok...but keep using your imagination in training.

[SugarBoxing]

It is a good point!

it is a universal phenomenon in any area. Very few like to innovate and learn, most coaches / teachers / lecturers stick to tradition...

[Scrap]

Good Post Gray lion, but I have a problem with Weights and Machines. I would use Resistance, Bands Fit Balls all Day long in preference to them. In the 60s I used Weights. But found I wasnt Getting the results I wanted. Reason All the Routines, We did were done on the Biomechanical Brake the Heel. Which to me was not the correct way to an athletic Sport.

[Andre]

I have read with great interest, comments in this forum about shadow boxing blindfolded.
I keep up with new training techniques being tried in Europe, Russia, and all over the world. I read where trainers are using Cocoa Butter instead of vaseline and getting better results.
I have attended training seminars where new exercises are getting better results then some of the older ones.
What is frustrating is to have the Head Coach, or other coaches listen, then shrug their shoulders and say "We have always done it this way", and are not willing to try.
I hope some of you guys who move into training others, keep an open mind. I remember when we chopped trees, lifted buckets of water to learn uppercuts, dug ditches, and pushed cars.....old methods...and training advanced beyond that.
I had one coach who did not believe in any weight training at all...nothing beyond 30 lbs. His thing was running..whcih is great, but in the ring, his fighters had no punch power. Finally he let me take two 'cast off" fighters and work with them for a year. They came back into the ring as winners and hard hitters.
Keep an open mind..if it's new, find out as much as you can and try it...if it doesn't work...ok...but keep using your imagination in training.

I find that with certain moves too.
Some moves will only work in the right situation even if you have create that situation first in the fight. Many will shoo that stuff off but that stuff can be the unseen unexpected finishes.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I find that with certain moves too.
Some moves will only work in the right situation even if you have create that situation first in the fight. Many will shoo that stuff offuff can be the unseen unexpected finishes.

I like the above post a lot...
It actually brings up an annoyance I have; I take issue with the buzz-term "sports specific." I see guys in the gym trying to simulate boxing movements and adding weights/resistance. Trying to be "sports specific." This to me is often wasted time, even dangerous, as these guys clearly don't have the technical expertise or experience to create an effective program utilizing these methods.

I have found great benefits in using the gym as a place to improve my overall athleticism; complimenting my boxing. I use the boxing gym then to develop technique and boxing knowledge.
I travel to spar and thats where I try put it all together. I try to train where I'm monitored by those more learned than myself and who's experience will prevent me from breaking myself!

I guess the moral of my little tangent was; New techniques are wonderful when taught by people with the correct knowledge, but sometimes blind experimentation or attempted replication can be harmful.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Good Post Gray lion, but I have a problem with Weights and Machines. I would use Resistance, Bands Fit Balls all Day long in preference to them. In the 60s I used Weights. But found I wasnt Getting the results I wanted. Reason All the Routines, We did were done on the Biomechanical Brake the Heel. Which to me was not the correct way to an athletic Sport.

were a lot of the routines back then based round powerlifting or bodybuilding?

I used to love swinging a long pick axe handle. Nice twist with that buddy.

[Scrap]

Missy, any movement in motion is done by lifting the Heel. Weights are done on the Heel, different mechanics, and response in movement. TFL is not engaged as it should be, as regards movement, thats my Gripe. .

[Gray Lion]

AS an update, I purchased a 12 lbs "Burn machine" and "Burn Bar" (which you can add up to 200 lbs in weight and has a sliding cener weight----you don't need 200 lbs of course. I have gotten more results with my students out of those two, with less weight, less time, and a significant gain in strength and speed punching. I had never heard of them until I saw a young amateur at another gym using one. Just proves that training is always moving forward and we are only limited by our imagination.

[DavilaJones]

I have a question if I may, how does weight lifting improve a boxers punching power? I know it would make his muscles bigger and make him lift heavier weights but how would it make him throw a jab that snaps the opponents head back or a straight left (im a southpaw ) that would make anyone say goodnight?

Are there specific weight lifting methods that would focus on the fast twitching muscles or is the singular fact that his muscles are stronger be the main contribution factor?

[Gray Lion]

Divila. I apologize for not being more clear in the use of the burn machines. I did not want to imply I was into weight training. I should have emphasized that the machines are used with low weights for strength training. I am the first to defend that size does not make a boxer...the skill is what counts. The hand burn machine weighs 12 lbs. By using it to increase twists and cycle speeds as if you were on a punching bag--at different heights. It does increase the speed and endurance. The bar we limit to 20 lb weight using military, overhead, straight out, side reps, push outs, squats, and other exercises to build muscle in the stomach, neck and shoulder, and leg area.
Our positive findings are based on the use and feed back we have received from both novice boxers and those who have had years experience.
Sorry for not being more detailed.

[DavilaJones]

Thanks for the explanation. I'll look at similar exercises online and see what form of trend I see going at the moment.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I have a question if I may, how does weight lifting improve a boxers punching power? I know it would make his muscles bigger and make him lift heavier weights but how would it make him throw a jab that snaps the opponents head back or a straight left (im a southpaw ) that would make anyone say goodnight?

Are there specific weight lifting methods that would focus on the fast twitching muscles or is the singular fact that his muscles are stronger be the main contribution factor?

Davila, sport science tells us that weight lifting is not to develop muscle size, but muscle speed and strength.

The more popularized lifts- the bucep curl, chest flyes etc.... Many are for hypertrophy, improving the aesthetic without any athletic benefit.

Many modern coaches are utilizing Olympic lifting for developing fast twitch muscle.
For me weights are beneficial because they deal with the areas neglected by traditional training techniques.
The posterior chain is completely neglected and once developed can seriously help power

[Andre]

Thinking out aloud here, if you had a short rope with a handle on the end fixed on a wall at your shoulder height and you had a board on wheels against the wall that you could stand on. You could put on a glove hold the handle and slowly you could mimic the punch evn with twist and slowly push yourself off the wall and then drag your own weight back to the wall so you could start again. Add weight or damper down a wheel.

Would that kind of thing be a help? You would be off your heel in a real stance that wasnt fixed into a position and you'd be working both sides of the muscles from the toe up to the neck and through the real motions used but with resistance. If you did it on a pole and had a trolley that had directional wheels you maybe able to incorporate hooks too.

Thoughts

[Scrap]

Andre, the Total Gym is similar, great peice of Kit.

[Andre]

Oh cheers, ill look it up.