Angel Heredia

[Julius Rain]

What do we know about him and how did he suddenly get involve with boxing? Post your comments about what you know about Heredia, positive or negative. Its interesting to see if we know anything or a lot about the guy. You can even post question and somebody who knows may answer. For example: What are his college degrees and what made him qualify as a strength and conditioning coach?

[IamInuit]

Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.

[Violent Demise]

When is he fighting? Who is he fighting? What fight is he referring? What fight is he judging? What fighter is he promoting? He's training what fighter?

If none of those questions apply to him than why the fuck would I want to talk about him? He's a fucking strength and conditioning coach. Who gives a fuck where he went to school?

[Julius Rain]

Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.

You make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.

I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.

I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"

Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.

He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.

Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.

Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?

[ykdadamaja]

What do we know about him and how did he suddenly get involve with boxing? Post your comments about what you know about Heredia, positive or negative. Its interesting to see if we know anything or a lot about the guy. You can even post question and somebody who knows may answer. For example: What are his college degrees and what made him qualify as a strength and conditioning coach?

He is a former Cuban national coach that defected and worked with Olympic athletes. His testimony caused a lot of athletes to be stripped of their medals and their world records. He has no known degree, just a hard working stiff.

[FinitoElDinamita]

I dont know but he's a smart guy.. I give him a ton of credit..

[IamInuit]

" Strength and conditioning coach" or in laymen terms crock of shit. Any rebuttal? Can you give me a historical need? I think not. Heredia or John Smith it makes no difference to me. The need for these people in an already coddled world begs the question.

[ykdadamaja]

" Strength and conditioning coach" or in laymen terms crock of shit. Any rebuttal? Can you give me a historical need? I think not. Heredia or John Smith it makes no difference to me. The need for these people in an already coddled world begs the question.

Basically, he came to boxing because the rules in boxing are loose and there is more short term money in it than amateur athletics. Dunno why he didn't do it much sooner?!?!?

[IamInuit]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

[ykdadamaja]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

Money doesn't dictate who's or what's best! Money is an indicator of what's marketable. Money is bringing in more leeches, to give average and lacklustre fighters that edge over other lacklustre and average fighters.

[p4pking]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.

[greynotsoold]

In the old days, guys like Sullivan and Dempsey didn't fight all that much once they became champ because there were easier ways to make good money. Sullivan hired people like Muldoon to get him in shape when he'd been off for a time.
For what it is worth, I don't think that Heredia, who ever he is, had anything to do with Marquez ko'ing Pac. I thought that Marquez would time that right hand in their first fight; I saw it watching him and thought it was inevitable. And it was, it just took one of the two smartest guys fighting today more than 40 rounds to do it. But Pac knew it was coming, too. Look how he bailed out as he threw his left hand. He got the taste of blood, though, and forgot. Brought the left foot up so he could sit down on his hook.

[IamInuit]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.

Very good point however these 1 or 2 fight guys a year at the top of the sport should not need any encouragement at this level. I mean its about 72 minutes a year if you fight twice and being just 12 rounds. I mean if you need a kick in the ass with that schedule find a new line of work. And then of course had Robinson made 20 or 30 million a fight he most likely would not have fought 3 times a month. I see the point though but the mega stars look to be fine w/o them and you know the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Stick with the plan that has worked prior to the snake oil salesman coming along. Hopkins started out at 175 and with age was already growing out of 160 before he left it. The guy was a gym rat so the hired gun handed him some protein powder and a set of weights, explained the four basic food groups and then asked him to sign the cheque. Roy looked like a water logged dead hypo at the Ruiz weigh in and scaled what 193 fully clothed wearing a velvet track suit and a 5 pound rolex

[Kirkland Laing]

The Olympic Dealer [interview with Ángel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

[zhubin]

He is just as "legit" as Alex Ariza. I find the uproar about Heredia to be quite hilarious...ESPECIALLY coming from Pac fans. As far as i'm concerned...Ariza is just as shady as Heredia. I thought it was very telling a while back (before the 4th Pac/Marquez fight) when they asked Ariza about Heredia's past...Alex had nothing bad to say on 24/7. He knows the deal. As IamInuit stated earlier..."strength and conditioning coach" basically means chemist.