Angel Heredia

[Julius Rain]

Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.

You make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.

I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.

I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"

Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.

He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.

Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.

Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?

[IamInuit]

Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.

You make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.

Yeah but even though his coach also probably knows chemistry, that does not mean Hop is using him for that. These strength and conditioning coaches know strength and conditioning more then anyone.
Knowledge of the Ped world would be imperative for the career they were choosing whether they planned on exploiting them or not.

I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.

That is cool but a secretary or receptionist is now an Administrative Assistant. Its semantics. Like the word harvest for death and destruction. Any strength and conditioning coach in boxing at this level has a great understanding of PEDS and the specifics.

I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"

Again why just Heredia? I mean it almost looks vendetta like given the facts. Marquez weighed in at the same weight with Manny as he did against Floyd. He also said he was going to weight train prior to the third Manny fight. Thats what he did. He changed the body fat he had at 144 against Floyd to 144 muscle. This is not some earth shattering event. This is not you and I going at the bag for twenty minutes every other day. These people live in the freakin gym. After the third he was going to stick to the same training but using the right hand almost like a jab. The guy has stayed within a pound since Floyd, said he was hitting the weights, lost speed because of it and still landed Suzi. Its a testimony of how great a counter puncher he is.

Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.

So what? Every other strength and conditioning coach knows the same shit.

He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.

Just make random testing a rule. No tv dates or ppv or title fights w/o random testing. All the pimps that feed off these fighters flip the bill.

Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.

Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?

Odd that you would ask a question that you already had the answer for my friend.

Those are my thoughts.

[Addicted to_boxing]

[QUOTE=IamInuit;1196476]

Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.

You make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.

Yeah but even though his coach also probably knows chemistry, that does not mean Hop is using him for that. These strength and conditioning coaches know strength and conditioning more then anyone.
Knowledge of the Ped world would be imperative for the career they were choosing whether they planned on exploiting them or not.

I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.

That is cool but a secretary or receptionist is now an Administrative Assistant. Its semantics. Like the word harvest for death and destruction. Any strength and conditioning coach in boxing at this level has a great understanding of PEDS and the specifics.

I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"

Again why just Heredia? I mean it almost looks vendetta like given the facts. Marquez weighed in at the same weight with Manny as he did against Floyd. He also said he was going to weight train prior to the third Manny fight. Thats what he did. He changed the body fat he had at 144 against Floyd to 144 muscle. This is not some earth shattering event. This is not you and I going at the bag for twenty minutes every other day. These people live in the freakin gym. After the third he was going to stick to the same training but using the right hand almost like a jab. The guy has stayed within a pound since Floyd, said he was hitting the weights, lost speed because of it and still landed Suzi. Its a testimony of how great a counter puncher he is.

Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.

So what? Every other strength and conditioning coach knows the same shit.

He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.

Just make random testing a rule. No tv dates or ppv or title fights w/o random testing. All the pimps that feed off these fighters flip the bill.

Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.

Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?

Odd that you would ask a question that you already had the answer for my friend.

Those are my thoughts.[/QUOTE What a joke this Fucked in Julius mouth and ass & loves when it Rains semen. Starts a topic then listens to no opinions. Is presented with facts on Heredia and how he is actually more educated and polished than Ariza. How Heredia's first venture into boxing was with Arce and there was no uproar by the filipino faithfuls then because Nonito won. It appears these filipino nut huggers just can not accept Pac being KTFO. It also appears they do not want to be upstaged by JMM in the worlds best whining and complaining department . Its ok because Nonito and Pac will be gone soon and then what? They will still be in here 10 years later with no great champions complaining about Heredia.. JMM closed the book oh the island huggers and that is that all I need to relish their mourning and sadness

[Julius Rain]

[QUOTE=Addicted to_boxing;1196700]

Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.

You make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.

Yeah but even though his coach also probably knows chemistry, that does not mean Hop is using him for that. These strength and conditioning coaches know strength and conditioning more then anyone.
Knowledge of the Ped world would be imperative for the career they were choosing whether they planned on exploiting them or not.

I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.

That is cool but a secretary or receptionist is now an Administrative Assistant. Its semantics. Like the word harvest for death and destruction. Any strength and conditioning coach in boxing at this level has a great understanding of PEDS and the specifics.

I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"

Again why just Heredia? I mean it almost looks vendetta like given the facts. Marquez weighed in at the same weight with Manny as he did against Floyd. He also said he was going to weight train prior to the third Manny fight. Thats what he did. He changed the body fat he had at 144 against Floyd to 144 muscle. This is not some earth shattering event. This is not you and I going at the bag for twenty minutes every other day. These people live in the freakin gym. After the third he was going to stick to the same training but using the right hand almost like a jab. The guy has stayed within a pound since Floyd, said he was hitting the weights, lost speed because of it and still landed Suzi. Its a testimony of how great a counter puncher he is.

Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.

So what? Every other strength and conditioning coach knows the same shit.

He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.

Just make random testing a rule. No tv dates or ppv or title fights w/o random testing. All the pimps that feed off these fighters flip the bill.

Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.

Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?

Odd that you would ask a question that you already had the answer for my friend.

Those are my thoughts.[/QUOTE What a joke this Fucked in Julius mouth and ass & loves when it Rains semen. Starts a topic then listens to no opinions. Is presented with facts on Heredia and how he is actually more educated and polished than Ariza. How Heredia's first venture into boxing was with Arce and there was no uproar by the filipino faithfuls then because Nonito won. It appears these filipino nut huggers just can not accept Pac being KTFO. It also appears they do not want to be upstaged by JMM in the worlds best whining and complaining department . Its ok because Nonito and Pac will be gone soon and then what? They will still be in here 10 years later with no great champions complaining about Heredia.. JMM closed the book oh the island huggers and that is that all I need to relish their mourning and sadness

stfu fag, i know you young and you wasting my time. Your tone never change, i bet your more so of a pac hater than a jmm fan. Whats next for jmm now btw? He did close the book on all of philippine boxing right? Alright gotta go i got your mama on my dick already asking me to quit making you cry. I'm fuck her in the ass just so there wont be a chance of another sad bastard like you being born.