Iraq

[Kirkland Laing]

North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.

Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.


Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax and nerve gas and nuclear weapons for over a decade. This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens, leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.


States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.

President George W Bush
Axis of Evil speech
29th January 2002



The United States is preparing to open a direct dialogue with Iran about how to deal with the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, a senior official said on Sunday.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said the US was considering engaging with its longtime adversary about Iraq, where the government of prime minister Nuri al-Maliki is struggling to repel a militants who have seized several cities.
The Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday that Washington was preparing to open talks with Iran on ways to push back the militants.
Citing senior US officials, the newspaper said the dialogue was expected to begin this week.

US prepares for talks with iran to stop militants
Reuters
16 June 2014



The Obama Administration is “open” to direct talks with Iran over the exploding crisis in Iraq, Secretary of State John Kerry said in an interview published Monday, as militants who say they massacred hundreds of Iraqi soldiers continued their march toward Baghdad and the U.S. embassy there evacuated some personnel.

Time Magazine
June 16, 2014

[Spicoli]

How anyone with reason and the history education of your average 7th Grader didn't see this happening is unbelievable. We had no business in Iraq. Bush, Obama.. really doesn't matter. We bled too much of our treasure, yet again.

[IamInuit]

As terrible as it sounds let the chips fall where they may. These eternal wars are mind numbing. Let them kill each other. Its the only way to end it. What did the west think was going to happen when they put in a stacked puppet Shiite government that has completely alienated the Sunnis in both Western and Northern Iraq. Al Maliki is nothing but another Saddam who has used Sunnis against their own people promising them jobs while filling his bureaucracy with family, friends and acquaintances.

[Kirkland Laing]

"Iraq is more free every day. The lives of the citizens are improving every day. And one thing is for certain; there won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."


George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
January 12, 2004



Daylight Tuesday brought the discovery of at least 86 shot or strangled men across the city, most of them with hands tied and many of them tortured, according to police. They included 27 corpses in one of the first mass graves to be found in the capital since the U.S. invasion three years ago.

Washington Post
March 12, 2006








"Iraq is more free every day. The lives of the citizens are improving every day. And one thing is for certain; there won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."


George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
January 12, 2004


As the Iraqi insurgency intensified in early 2004, an elite Special Operations forces unit converted one of Saddam Hussein's former military bases near Baghdad into a top-secret detention center. There, American soldiers made one of the former Iraqi government's torture chambers into their own interrogation cell. They named it the "Black Room."

NYT
March 19, 2006


Graphic photographs showing the torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners in a US-run prison outside Baghdad emerged yesterday from a military inquiry which has left six soldiers facing a possible court martial and a general under investigation. The scandal has also brought to light the growing and largely unregulated role of private contractors in the interrogation of detainees.
According to lawyers for some of the soldiers, they claimed to be acting in part under the instruction of mercenary interrogators hired by the Pentagon.
AP
April 30th, 2004








"Iraq is more free every day. The lives of the citizens are improving every day. And one thing is for certain; there won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."


George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
January 12, 2004


AP Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld offered "my deepest apology" Friday to Iraqi prisoners abused by sadistic military personnel and warned that videos and photos yet to come could further inflame worldwide outrage.

"It's going to get a good deal more terrible, I'm afraid," he said glumly in congressional testimony televised throughout the Arab world as well as in the United States.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. we're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate.

AP
May 7, 2004






"Lucky me--I hit the trifecta!"

George W. Bush
May 27th, 2002

[Gandalf]

The Iraq situation is incredible. They somehow spotted every movement in the Eastern Ukraine and yet FAILED to notice tens of thousands of brand new cars and RPG'S sporting US labels massing in Syria? And now all the way to Baghdad against a government who......refused US military bases on its territory?

How obvious is this? They don't even try to cover it up anymore. You armed ISIS in plain view, you trained them, and now it's a terrorist threat? It's an obvious revenge on the Iraqi government, which isn't perfect, but this is too obvious.

[Kirkland Laing]

The Iraq situation is incredible. They somehow spotted every movement in the Eastern Ukraine and yet FAILED to notice tens of thousands of brand new cars and RPG'S sporting US labels massing in Syria? And now all the way to Baghdad against a government who......refused US military bases on its territory?

How obvious is this? They don't even try to cover it up anymore. You armed ISIS in plain view, you trained them, and now it's a terrorist threat? It's an obvious revenge on the Iraqi government, which isn't perfect, but this is too obvious.

There aren't tens of thousands of cars or tens of thousands of anything. There are barely 10 000 ISIS fighters. They've only taken the area they have in Iraq with the help of Sunni insurgent groups from the Saddam era. It's highly unlikely they'll even try to take Baghdad although the Sunnis living there may well find themselves under attack from Baghdad Shiites.

The US do not want these fuckers taking territory in Iraq which is now they're now working with the Iranians to fuck them up. They didn't train or arm them, the Saudis, Kuwaitis and the Gulf states fund them and groups like them although they seem to be self-funding now. We didn't train them either other than giving them on-the-job training attacking us when we were occupying Iraq. The core of ISIS, the serious fighters are actually all Chechens who were given on-the-job training by Putin.

Not everything in the world is a giant conspiracy.

[Nameless]

Seriously, poor poor poor Iraqi peoples. How many of them died since the first Gulf War? They had to fight against the corporate fucknuts and now, they have to fight against the religious nuts. And some other corporate fucknuts as well. This situation is catastrophic and a shame for the US citizens who had to fork over 58 billions from their tax to train an army and to build some structures that have dissolved to nothing within a few weeks.

[Gandalf]

The Iraq situation is incredible. They somehow spotted every movement in the Eastern Ukraine and yet FAILED to notice tens of thousands of brand new cars and RPG'S sporting US labels massing in Syria? And now all the way to Baghdad against a government who......refused US military bases on its territory?

How obvious is this? They don't even try to cover it up anymore. You armed ISIS in plain view, you trained them, and now it's a terrorist threat? It's an obvious revenge on the Iraqi government, which isn't perfect, but this is too obvious.

There aren't tens of thousands of cars or tens of thousands of anything. There are barely 10 000 ISIS fighters. They've only taken the area they have in Iraq with the help of Sunni insurgent groups from the Saddam era. It's highly unlikely they'll even try to take Baghdad although the Sunnis living there may well find themselves under attack from Baghdad Shiites.

The US do not want these fuckers taking territory in Iraq which is now they're now working with the Iranians to fuck them up. They didn't train or arm them, the Saudis, Kuwaitis and the Gulf states fund them and groups like them although they seem to be self-funding now. We didn't train them either other than giving them on-the-job training attacking us when we were occupying Iraq. The core of ISIS, the serious fighters are actually all Chechens who were given on-the-job training by Putin.

Not everything in the world is a giant conspiracy.

Please give me a Toyota and a US made RPG. I promise to stay away from Wall Street.

[Master]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

[VictorCharlie]

There is no Western fix to Iraq. It always should have been three separate states. On the bright side the Kurds may finally get a true Kurdistan out of the whole thing.

[walrus]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

[Master]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

You could go further and blame the crusades.

[walrus]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

You could go further and blame the crusades.

If the crusaders had been able to hold the fort, the Middle East probably would be a stable place today

[VictorCharlie]

[Andre]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

You could go further and blame the crusades.

If the crusaders had been able to hold the fort, the Middle East probably would be a stable place today

stable place,place is a stable.