Iraq

[Kirkland Laing]

The Iraq situation is incredible. They somehow spotted every movement in the Eastern Ukraine and yet FAILED to notice tens of thousands of brand new cars and RPG'S sporting US labels massing in Syria? And now all the way to Baghdad against a government who......refused US military bases on its territory?

How obvious is this? They don't even try to cover it up anymore. You armed ISIS in plain view, you trained them, and now it's a terrorist threat? It's an obvious revenge on the Iraqi government, which isn't perfect, but this is too obvious.

There aren't tens of thousands of cars or tens of thousands of anything. There are barely 10 000 ISIS fighters. They've only taken the area they have in Iraq with the help of Sunni insurgent groups from the Saddam era. It's highly unlikely they'll even try to take Baghdad although the Sunnis living there may well find themselves under attack from Baghdad Shiites.

The US do not want these fuckers taking territory in Iraq which is now they're now working with the Iranians to fuck them up. They didn't train or arm them, the Saudis, Kuwaitis and the Gulf states fund them and groups like them although they seem to be self-funding now. We didn't train them either other than giving them on-the-job training attacking us when we were occupying Iraq. The core of ISIS, the serious fighters are actually all Chechens who were given on-the-job training by Putin.

Not everything in the world is a giant conspiracy.

[Nameless]

Seriously, poor poor poor Iraqi peoples. How many of them died since the first Gulf War? They had to fight against the corporate fucknuts and now, they have to fight against the religious nuts. And some other corporate fucknuts as well. This situation is catastrophic and a shame for the US citizens who had to fork over 58 billions from their tax to train an army and to build some structures that have dissolved to nothing within a few weeks.

[Kirkland Laing]

Seriously, poor poor poor Iraqi peoples. How many of them died since the first Gulf War? They had to fight against the corporate fucknuts and now, they have to fight against the religious nuts. And some other corporate fucknuts as well. This situation is catastrophic and a shame for the US citizens who had to fork over 58 billions from their tax to train an army and to build some structures that have dissolved to nothing within a few weeks.

More like three trillion.

[Gandalf]

The Iraq situation is incredible. They somehow spotted every movement in the Eastern Ukraine and yet FAILED to notice tens of thousands of brand new cars and RPG'S sporting US labels massing in Syria? And now all the way to Baghdad against a government who......refused US military bases on its territory?

How obvious is this? They don't even try to cover it up anymore. You armed ISIS in plain view, you trained them, and now it's a terrorist threat? It's an obvious revenge on the Iraqi government, which isn't perfect, but this is too obvious.

There aren't tens of thousands of cars or tens of thousands of anything. There are barely 10 000 ISIS fighters. They've only taken the area they have in Iraq with the help of Sunni insurgent groups from the Saddam era. It's highly unlikely they'll even try to take Baghdad although the Sunnis living there may well find themselves under attack from Baghdad Shiites.

The US do not want these fuckers taking territory in Iraq which is now they're now working with the Iranians to fuck them up. They didn't train or arm them, the Saudis, Kuwaitis and the Gulf states fund them and groups like them although they seem to be self-funding now. We didn't train them either other than giving them on-the-job training attacking us when we were occupying Iraq. The core of ISIS, the serious fighters are actually all Chechens who were given on-the-job training by Putin.

Not everything in the world is a giant conspiracy.

Please give me a Toyota and a US made RPG. I promise to stay away from Wall Street.

[Master]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

[VictorCharlie]

There is no Western fix to Iraq. It always should have been three separate states. On the bright side the Kurds may finally get a true Kurdistan out of the whole thing.

[walrus]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

[Master]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

You could go further and blame the crusades.

[walrus]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

You could go further and blame the crusades.

If the crusaders had been able to hold the fort, the Middle East probably would be a stable place today

[VictorCharlie]

[Andre]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

I agree with you to an extent Master. We lost almost five thousand young Americans and God knows how many Iraqis killed. We have a responsibility to this country, it's just the Middle East seems to be a place no one has success. Actually, I blame the whole thing on Churchill and Laurence of Arabia.

You could go further and blame the crusades.

If the crusaders had been able to hold the fort, the Middle East probably would be a stable place today

stable place,place is a stable.

[Kirkland Laing]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

They don't have the ability to fix it though. It's unfixable by the west even if they wanted to try and they don't. They just want a western-friendly leader in Baghdad who does what they want, they don't care how many people the guy kills provided he does what they want.

When you look at the history of western intervention in the region what gives you the idea that we intervene to help the people who live there?

[El Kabong]

Speaking of WMDs

Sunni Extremists in Iraq Occupy Saddam Hussein's Chemical Weapons Facility - WSJ

and

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live - Telegraph


Chemical weapons you say? In Iraq you say? Hmmm, funny that


And for interested parties the Generals don't lose wars for Super Powers, POLITICIANS DO

And I'm speaking directly about these chickenshits who turned tail and ran after the Supreme Court made it's decision on Florida's Presidential votes in 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZ2ZvS2t_E


But it's too much to ask for those assholes to be intellectually honest, I mean hell look at Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change....their goal is to be Political winners not leaders

[Kirkland Laing]

Speaking of WMDs

Sunni Extremists in Iraq Occupy Saddam Hussein's Chemical Weapons Facility - WSJ

and

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live - Telegraph


Chemical weapons you say? In Iraq you say? Hmmm, funny that


And for interested parties the Generals don't lose wars for Super Powers, POLITICIANS DO

And I'm speaking directly about these chickenshits who turned tail and ran after the Supreme Court made it's decision on Florida's Presidential votes in 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZ2ZvS2t_E


But it's too much to ask for those assholes to be intellectually honest, I mean hell look at Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change....their goal is to be Political winners not leaders

Chemical weapons are not weapons of mass destruction. And these chemical weapons were put under UN seal and permanent inspection regime as part of the 1991 surrender treaty. They managed to remain under seal until now when the jihadis got their hands on them. Luckily Iraq's chemical weapons programme was so primitive they'll have been useless twenty years ago.

As usual right wing media outlets are out to spread disinformation and as usual the people who can be relied upon to fall for any bullshit they're offered eat it up.

Also, too. Obama isn't reponsible for there being no American troops in Iraq. Bush is. In the summer of 2008 Bush was presented with two options by the Iraqi government. All US troops out by the end of 2008 or all troops out by the end of 2011. Bush chose the least humiliating option and avoided being publicly humiliated at the handover by sending his VP to sustain the embarrassment.





What the GOP are blaming Obama for at the minute is failing to renegotiate an agreement that Bush signed up to and the Iraqis had zero interest in renegotiatiing. So as far as politicians losing wars go, the Iraq war was fought and lost including the surrender handover to the Iranians all on Bush's watch.

[Kirkland Laing]

Look at the microphones in that photo and note the complete lack of western media coverage at that conference. The AP who wrote one article which papers didn't use and one photographer who took one photo that the western media also blacked out. The Arab and world press covered this strory with that photograph and headlines like "America's humiliation".