JT vs BHOP

[frasd]

In their primes at similar weights who do you think would win? I am a big fan of both but lean toward Toney one minute and then change my mind. Can someone more intelligent than I give me their input? Which most likely includes most people and their pets.

[ruthless rocco]

James Toney UD

[Master]

B Hop got beat by a great middleweight in Roy Jones no disgrace there and he could argue Hopkins was inexperienced but even a peak Hopkins would lose to Roy.

Toney was being outboxed by Nunn, who is nothing like B Hop and Toney had some awful performances such as Tiberia.

Best for best and peak for peak I would say Toney.

It would be a great fight with all the moves, slips and parrying from a text book of boxing skills!

[corvette]

B Hop got beat by a great middleweight in Roy Jones no disgrace there and he could argue Hopkins was inexperienced but even a peak Hopkins would lose to Roy.

Toney was being outboxed by Nunn, who is nothing like B Hop and Toney had some awful performances such as Tiberia.

Best for best and peak for peak I would say Toney.

It would be a great fight with all the moves, slips and parrying from a text book of boxing skills!

Toney knocked Nunn out.....fool.

Hops has had some awful performances himself.

[mikeeod]

Toney always had trouble with mobile boxers who maintained a consistently high pace like Nunn, Roy, Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin to name a few. James also had issues with busy/volume guys with solid chins like Drake Thadzi, Dave Tiberi and Vassily Jirov.

Many of the posters on here think of the Ancient Hop who fought Cloud, Dawson, Calzaghe...etc. The guy who no longer had the big punch or stamina and relied on tricks and boxing intelligence to win decisions. The Hop we are discussing isn't that Hop, he's the Executioner who dominated Tito and displayed great movement, ATG boxing ability and ring generalship, and the killer instinct and ATG stamina to close the show.

Prime vs prime Hop is too mobile, has too good a chin, is too smart, too good of a ring general and too busy to lose to James. Hop lost to Roy while he was green and approaching his prime, but even that wasn't a blow out (he performed MUCH BETTER vs Roy than Toney did). Toney puts up a good fight and has his moments but loses a decision to Hop based on activity and ring generalship.

[Spicoli]

Hopkins. At least he waited until 40+ to time out rounds . Ok that was cheap and two of my all time favs here. But Hopkins was too sharp and would work Toneys often flat feet and sneak 6 inch counters. Hopkins had the best of both worlds then

[Beanflicker]

I'd go Toney by UD.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I'm a Toney fan but I think 7 times out of 10, he beats Toney.

Hopkins was a better thinker than Toney (Toney was just so comfortable and well drilled) so would refuse to play ball and let Toney use his skill set (traps etc..). He'd find an ugly way to win.

If Toney won though, it would be beautiful to watch

[Master]

B Hop got beat by a great middleweight in Roy Jones no disgrace there and he could argue Hopkins was inexperienced but even a peak Hopkins would lose to Roy.

Toney was being outboxed by Nunn, who is nothing like B Hop and Toney had some awful performances such as Tiberia.

Best for best and peak for peak I would say Toney.

It would be a great fight with all the moves, slips and parrying from a text book of boxing skills!

Toney knocked Nunn out.....fool.

Hops has had some awful performances himself.

Toney was losing the fight dickhead and Hopkins never had a performance as bad as Honey did against Tiberia. Anyway I said Toney would win.

[corvette]

B Hop got beat by a great middleweight in Roy Jones no disgrace there and he could argue Hopkins was inexperienced but even a peak Hopkins would lose to Roy.

Toney was being outboxed by Nunn, who is nothing like B Hop and Toney had some awful performances such as Tiberia.

Best for best and peak for peak I would say Toney.

It would be a great fight with all the moves, slips and parrying from a text book of boxing skills!

Toney knocked Nunn out.....fool.

Hops has had some awful performances himself.

Toney was losing the fight dickhead and Hopkins never had a performance as bad as Toney did against Tiberia. Anyway I said Toney would win.

Toney scored the KO dickhead.

Behind on points don't mean shit when you put a mofo to sleep.

[corvette]

B Hop got beat by a great middleweight in Roy Jones no disgrace there and he could argue Hopkins was inexperienced but even a peak Hopkins would lose to Roy.

Toney was being outboxed by Nunn, who is nothing like B Hop and Toney had some awful performances such as Tiberia.

Best for best and peak for peak I would say Toney.

It would be a great fight with all the moves, slips and parrying from a text book of boxing skills!

Toney knocked Nunn out.....fool.

Hops has had some awful performances himself.

Toney was losing the fight dickhead and Hopkins never had a performance as bad as Honey did against Tiberia. Anyway I said Toney would win.

Toney never dove out the ring and played hurt.

Being behind on points don't mean shit when you put a mofo to sleep.

[Master]

Corvette why am I arguing with you when I agree Toney would win? I was making a point that Toney would be out boxed at times. You dumb retard.

[El Kabong]

This has always been one of those fights I could see either way. Either Hopkins keeps Toney at bay with the jab, and he ties up and mauls his way to a close win, or Toney's shoulder roll and counter prove too much for B-Hop and send him on the run. The style matchup kind of reminds me of Walcott vs Charles, although B-Hop isn't as smooth as Ezzard was.


I think Toney wins by decision more often than not.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

This has always been one of those fights I could see either way. Either Hopkins keeps Toney at bay with the jab, and he ties up and mauls his way to a close win, or Toney's shoulder roll and counter prove too much for B-Hop and send him on the run. The style matchup kind of reminds me of Walcott vs Charles, although B-Hop isn't as smooth as Ezzard was.


I think Toney wins by decision more often than not.

Nice comparison

Although just to attempt to skew your perception a little; Walcott was the more 'deceptive' of the two, with Ezzard being more of an 'honest' fighter.

With Hopkins and Toney, it would have been slightly different.

[El Kabong]

This has always been one of those fights I could see either way. Either Hopkins keeps Toney at bay with the jab, and he ties up and mauls his way to a close win, or Toney's shoulder roll and counter prove too much for B-Hop and send him on the run. The style matchup kind of reminds me of Walcott vs Charles, although B-Hop isn't as smooth as Ezzard was.


I think Toney wins by decision more often than not.

Nice comparison

Although just to attempt to skew your perception a little; Walcott was the more 'deceptive' of the two, with Ezzard being more of an 'honest' fighter.

With Hopkins and Toney, it would have been slightly different.

Maybe Archie Moore would have been a better comparison for Toney