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    Default Does anyone feel any sympathy for Joe Cortez?

    It seems like Joe Cortez's name is mud these days, synonymous with incompetence.

    But up until the Hatton fight he was considered one of the very best referees in the world and one of the most popular.

    It seems that old age has caught up with him and he's no longer able to control the action as he once was.

    I agree he shouldn't be in charge of any major fights again but I it's sad to see his reputation be so destroyed based on the past year alone.

    When a fighter gets old we are understanding when they can't do it any more. I think Cortez should retire now but I hope his reputation as a gret referee for many years is still upheld.

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    Default Re: Does anyone feel any sympathy for Joe Cortez?

    Up to the Hatton fight I thought he was a great ref. I was very happy with the appointment of him for Hatton - PBF.

    After round 1 I thought, fuck this best not go on all night. It did. Ever since Hatton-Floyd he's fucked up and been awful. I agree he should retire now though, he's unfit to ref top fights.

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    Default Re: Does anyone feel any sympathy for Joe Cortez?

    I don't think its been a case of him getting older and losing something he once had. Its more of him making himself a big factor at huge fights he should not be a big factor in. I think his full of himself with that "im fair but im firm" bullshyt.

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    Default Re: Does anyone feel any sympathy for Joe Cortez?

    Out side of the UK, I dont think too may people thought he was all that bad in the Hatton fight; but, what he did to Soto last night is unforgivable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lance Uppercut View Post
    Out side of the UK, I dont think too may people thought he was all that bad in the Hatton fight; but, what he did to Soto last night is unforgivable.

    That is a bold statement.

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    I might have a little sympathy for Cortez if he gets ran over by a train....maybe.
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    Default Re: Does anyone feel any sympathy for Joe Cortez?

    Every referee has their hiccups and bad fights, all of them. I had no qualms which his job in the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight, didn't see anything wrong there. I recently watched the Hatton-Mayweather bout for the first time since the week of the fight and I can see where Hatton had a legitimate case against Cortez.

    What happened last night was a joke. He looked completely flustered and I think the only way he could have handled it worse would be if Lorenzo had his jaw broke and didn't want to continue but made him anyways. That's what it reminded me of, absolutely bizarre.

    Cortez isn't a bad guy, I know one person who is friends with him and says he's a great guy. But he's had a mini-run of bad officiating. I don't think he had any sort of a slant against Soto I think he just overthought that fight. He stepped in, pulled out, stepped in, pulled out then the hit happened, it should have been ignored especially since you couldn't blame Soto for not respecting Cortez stepping in when Cortez had already stepped in and then let it continue. He overthought things, should have realized that Lorenzo wasn't continuing not because of the grazing hit behind the head but because of the other punches that rearranged his nose and tore his skin to shreds. But in a big moment on HBO, he probably got flustered and we got a DQ. A bad call I would hope Cortez would admit it today if he had a chance to rewatch the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lance Uppercut View Post
    Out side of the UK, I dont think too may people thought he was all that bad in the Hatton fight; but, what he did to Soto last night is unforgivable.
    BS He destroyed any chance Hatton had that was the reason he was chosen
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lance Uppercut View Post
    Out side of the UK, I dont think too may people thought he was all that bad in the Hatton fight; but, what he did to Soto last night is unforgivable.
    BS He destroyed any chance Hatton had that was the reason he was chosen
    Come on CJ. You know Hatton never had a chance to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lance Uppercut View Post
    Out side of the UK, I dont think too may people thought he was all that bad in the Hatton fight; but, what he did to Soto last night is unforgivable.
    BS He destroyed any chance Hatton had that was the reason he was chosen
    Come on CJ. You know Hatton never had a chance to begin with.
    What little chance he had was taken away by a biased and in my opinion a crooked ref.
    You know as well as I do VD in Vegas Hatton would have to knocl gayfeather out TWICE to get a draw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    It seems like Joe Cortez's name is mud these days, synonymous with incompetence.

    But up until the Hatton fight he was considered one of the very best referees in the world and one of the most popular.

    It seems that old age has caught up with him and he's no longer able to control the action as he once was.

    I agree he shouldn't be in charge of any major fights again but I it's sad to see his reputation be so destroyed based on the past year alone.

    When a fighter gets old we are understanding when they can't do it any more. I think Cortez should retire now but I hope his reputation as a gret referee for many years is still upheld.

    I have no sympathy for him its peoples career livelyhoods on the line and he has called his last 3 fights all wrong.

    Im not sure Pernell Whitiker would agree he was a great referee until the Hatton/Mayweather farce he had it in for Sweatpea also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    It seems like Joe Cortez's name is mud these days, synonymous with incompetence.

    But up until the Hatton fight he was considered one of the very best referees in the world and one of the most popular.

    It seems that old age has caught up with him and he's no longer able to control the action as he once was.

    I agree he shouldn't be in charge of any major fights again but I it's sad to see his reputation be so destroyed based on the past year alone.

    When a fighter gets old we are understanding when they can't do it any more. I think Cortez should retire now but I hope his reputation as a gret referee for many years is still upheld.
    Try watching the Kirk Johnson-John Ruiz fight and then tell me Cortez was a good referee.
    That was the most blatently biased officiating i've ever seen. Ruiz did an acting job worthy of an oscar Cortez got the oscar for best supporting role. Cortez has always been an egotistical and biased official. He truly believes every fight he officiated was The Joe Cortez show and the fighters were secondary. Kick his butt out
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    It seems like Joe Cortez's name is mud these days, synonymous with incompetence.

    But up until the Hatton fight he was considered one of the very best referees in the world and one of the most popular.

    It seems that old age has caught up with him and he's no longer able to control the action as he once was.

    I agree he shouldn't be in charge of any major fights again but I it's sad to see his reputation be so destroyed based on the past year alone.

    When a fighter gets old we are understanding when they can't do it any more. I think Cortez should retire now but I hope his reputation as a gret referee for many years is still upheld.
    Try watching the Kirk Johnson-John Ruiz fight and then tell me Cortez was a good referee.
    That was the most blatently biased officiating i've ever seen. Ruiz did an acting job worthy of an oscar Cortez got the oscar for best supporting role. Cortez has always been an egotistical and biased official. He truly believes every fight he officiated was The Joe Cortez show and the fighters were secondary. Kick his butt out
    I've seen much worse.

    I don't like the "catch-phrases" by refs. I mean you got boxers saying things which is okay, announcers doing it, now you've got refs doing it?

    "I'm fair but I'm firm"
    "What I say, you must obey"


    Stop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thread Stealer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    It seems like Joe Cortez's name is mud these days, synonymous with incompetence.

    But up until the Hatton fight he was considered one of the very best referees in the world and one of the most popular.

    It seems that old age has caught up with him and he's no longer able to control the action as he once was.

    I agree he shouldn't be in charge of any major fights again but I it's sad to see his reputation be so destroyed based on the past year alone.

    When a fighter gets old we are understanding when they can't do it any more. I think Cortez should retire now but I hope his reputation as a gret referee for many years is still upheld.
    Try watching the Kirk Johnson-John Ruiz fight and then tell me Cortez was a good referee.
    That was the most blatently biased officiating i've ever seen. Ruiz did an acting job worthy of an oscar Cortez got the oscar for best supporting role. Cortez has always been an egotistical and biased official. He truly believes every fight he officiated was The Joe Cortez show and the fighters were secondary. Kick his butt out
    I've seen much worse.

    I don't like the "catch-phrases" by refs. I mean you got boxers saying things which is okay, announcers doing it, now you've got refs doing it?

    "I'm fair but I'm firm"
    "What I say, you must obey"


    Stop!
    You've seen worse When
    Every body shot Kirk threw Ruiz cried foul and in jumped Crooked Cortez. The final shot , a beautiful legit hook to the liver dropped Ruiz he screamed and rolled in agony claiming foul. Crooked immediately DQ/'d Kirk
    Now we sat together and watched the whole fight in slow motion only TWO of kirks shot could be called definately low. Meanwhile Ruiz was holding, elbowing & headbutting as he liked with no penalty from Cortez. The correct result of that fight was a KO win for Kirk Johnson
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    Default Re: Does anyone feel any sympathy for Joe Cortez?

    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thread Stealer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Rock View Post

    Try watching the Kirk Johnson-John Ruiz fight and then tell me Cortez was a good referee.
    That was the most blatently biased officiating i've ever seen. Ruiz did an acting job worthy of an oscar Cortez got the oscar for best supporting role. Cortez has always been an egotistical and biased official. He truly believes every fight he officiated was The Joe Cortez show and the fighters were secondary. Kick his butt out
    I've seen much worse.

    I don't like the "catch-phrases" by refs. I mean you got boxers saying things which is okay, announcers doing it, now you've got refs doing it?

    "I'm fair but I'm firm"
    "What I say, you must obey"


    Stop!
    You've seen worse When
    Every body shot Kirk threw Ruiz cried foul and in jumped Crooked Cortez. The final shot , a beautiful legit hook to the liver dropped Ruiz he screamed and rolled in agony claiming foul. Crooked immediately DQ/'d Kirk
    Now we sat together and watched the whole fight in slow motion only TWO of kirks shot could be called definately low. Meanwhile Ruiz was holding, elbowing & headbutting as he liked with no penalty from Cortez. The correct result of that fight was a KO win for Kirk Johnson
    Juan Coggi-Eder Gonzalez I was WAY worse.

    Sven Ottke-Robin Reid was a disgrace as well.

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