IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

[ElTerribleMorales]

when Roy Jones was TKO'd by Tarver, B-Hop moved ahead on the p4p list, he was the p4p champion up to 2005 when he was robbed twice again Taylor, and the the title of p4p champion went to Mayweather, and now Pacquiao, IMO B-Hop is once again the p4p best fighter in the world, on the grounds that his dominant win against prime fighter 17 yrs younger than him, has been a hell of a lot more impressive than any win that Pacquiao has had of late, also just look at the competition B-Hop has had, he still has been pretty much on the same winning streak he was on since he back p4p best, only "losses" should have been wins (both Taylor fights and Calzaghe)

[El Kabong]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

[El Kabong]

HOLD UP for YEARS Bernard Hopkins made his name fighting and beating guys who moved from 154 to 160 to challenge him and as soon as a true middleweight (with talent) fought him he got beat.

Roy Jones Jr. moved from 154 all the way to heavyweight and whipped everyone in his path. Bernard is a great fighter but Roy Jones Jr. is simply better

[Spicoli]

I got Pac as # 1 p4p on quality momentum and consistancy.Hopkins a much better all around fighter though.The man looked like he never left his prime last night.I really dislike p4p rankings....mind melts

[Kev]

I got Pac as # 1 p4p on quality momentum and consistancy.Hopkins a much better all around fighter though.The man looked like he never left his prime last night.I really dislike p4p rankings....mind melts

I don't know to be honest. I mean Hopkins is undoubtly more slippery than Manny and better defensively but he has nowhere near the offensive arsenal of Manny Pacquaio.

Hopkins has done superbly but Manny has blasted through p4p stars and all time greats.

It's not really correct to say that B Hop is better overall than Manny, technically more acomplished for sure but Manny has things that B Hop doesn't have.

Both are tremendous fighters.

[Kev]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

You're the first person I've heard say this? The controversy has always been around the first fight (which I still thought Jermain won). The second fight was close but no doubt that Jermain deserved to win it in my opinion.

For me it was close going into the final round but Taylor won the 12th round in the second fight hands down.

You're the first person I've heard say that Taylor clearly lost the second fight.

[OumaFan]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

You're the first person I've heard say this? The controversy has always been around the first fight (which I still thought Jermain won). The second fight was close but no doubt that Jermain deserved to win it in my opinion.

For me it was close going into the final round but Taylor won the 12th round in the second fight hands down.

You're the first person I've heard say that Taylor clearly lost the second fight.

A lot of people thought Hopkins won the second fight.

[rjj tszyu]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.

no doubt that Jones has had great opposition but the number of quality opponents isn't as high as Hopkins, yes Jones beat a 28 yr old Hopkins, but it's also well known that B-Hop as he proved on Saturday, only seems to get better with age, i've always felt that since Hopkins beat Tito back in 2001 that if he was given the chance at a rematch with Jones that he would have either taken him to the limit unlike ever opponent besides Tarver, or he would have beaten him, and in this point in time i don't think RJJ can beat B-Hop

[rjj tszyu]

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.

no doubt that Jones has had great opposition but the number of quality opponents isn't as high as Hopkins, yes Jones beat a 28 yr old Hopkins, but it's also well known that B-Hop as he proved on Saturday, only seems to get better with age, i've always felt that since Hopkins beat Tito back in 2001 that if he was given the chance at a rematch with Jones that he would have either taken him to the limit unlike ever opponent besides Tarver, or he would have beaten him, and in this point in time i don't think RJJ can beat B-Hop

I would have still had Jones beating him in 2001. Maybe not now but certainly then because i think Jones was clearly still no.1 p4p and for me noone below cruiser weight could have took him at that point. In fact I think Jones may school him even now. I heard an interview with Hopkins on setanta the other week in which he said something along the lines of: Jones will beat Calzaghe he is the only man to really beat me and he will beat Calzaghe.

That to me is the talk of a man who even all these years later doesn't truly believe he can beat jones. And don't forget he didn't just beat him he got a UD with one hand. EASY EASY EASY

[SweetPea]

I thought Taylor narrowly beat Hopkins both times. We can applaud Hopkins' accomplishments without discrediting Taylor's victories.

[Puya]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

For me B-Hop lost in my eyes in a very close fight with Taylor (twice) and with winky I had him in a 115-113 but with JC B-hop lost it with a wider margin in a way that I just can't imagine anyone seeing another way.

but oh man poor Kelly P he got a Picaso painted on his face.

[Kev]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

How is Bernard second? I love the Nard but he lost to Calzaghe when Joe moved up in weight to fight him so there is no grounds for putting B Hop above Joe now. If you think B Hop deserved to win the fight against Joe then you'll have to put Juan Manuel Marquez as p4p number 1 for beating Manny in the eyes of most.

My top 5

1. Pacquaio
2. Calzaghe
3. Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Vazquez

[Taeth]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

How is Bernard second? I love the Nard but he lost to Calzaghe when Joe moved up in weight to fight him so there is no grounds for putting B Hop above Joe now. If you think B Hop deserved to win the fight against Joe then you'll have to put Juan Manuel Marquez as p4p number 1 for beating Manny in the eyes of most.

My top 5

1. Pacquaio
2. Calzaghe
3. Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Vazquez

Juan Manuel Marquez won in the eyes of most? Says who? Definitely on here that wasn't the case here or with the media. Pacquaio won that fight, and Hopkins won against Calzaghe. I think agree though that Marquez should be higher then Hopkins because of the simple fact he is better then Bernard... well more effective than Bernard.