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    Default Re: IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
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    Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.
    umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has
    A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.
    no doubt that Jones has had great opposition but the number of quality opponents isn't as high as Hopkins, yes Jones beat a 28 yr old Hopkins, but it's also well known that B-Hop as he proved on Saturday, only seems to get better with age, i've always felt that since Hopkins beat Tito back in 2001 that if he was given the chance at a rematch with Jones that he would have either taken him to the limit unlike ever opponent besides Tarver, or he would have beaten him, and in this point in time i don't think RJJ can beat B-Hop

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    Default Re: IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

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    umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has
    A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.
    no doubt that Jones has had great opposition but the number of quality opponents isn't as high as Hopkins, yes Jones beat a 28 yr old Hopkins, but it's also well known that B-Hop as he proved on Saturday, only seems to get better with age, i've always felt that since Hopkins beat Tito back in 2001 that if he was given the chance at a rematch with Jones that he would have either taken him to the limit unlike ever opponent besides Tarver, or he would have beaten him, and in this point in time i don't think RJJ can beat B-Hop
    I would have still had Jones beating him in 2001. Maybe not now but certainly then because i think Jones was clearly still no.1 p4p and for me noone below cruiser weight could have took him at that point. In fact I think Jones may school him even now. I heard an interview with Hopkins on setanta the other week in which he said something along the lines of: Jones will beat Calzaghe he is the only man to really beat me and he will beat Calzaghe.

    That to me is the talk of a man who even all these years later doesn't truly believe he can beat jones. And don't forget he didn't just beat him he got a UD with one hand. EASY EASY EASY

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