Joe Calzaghe is obviously a great fighter...

[Taeth]

His speed is a lot better then I gave him credit for, I think its because he is always punching you see it a lot, but Roy and Floyd and those guys are not doing anything then they explode and they are a lot quicker.

I am not going to take anything away from Joe in criticizing him, he won the fight.

But, Roy WTF. He didn't cover up quite as much as I thought he would, but he wasn't Roy JOnes. If anybody even Joe Calzaghe tried half that shit against prime Roy they would be eating 8 counter punches before they realized what happened. I think both of them have sacrificed power for more speed, and in Calzaghe's case to keep his workrate, but Roy was way faster in his prime. I think he showed WHEN he punched that he could hit Joe, but only when he was changing it up, I don't know why he waited till the 12th round to go to the body, it was open all night.

The sense I got from this is that they both couldn't react like they once did, I think both of their speediness threw eachother off a little, the one difference IMO is that Joe is more of a man, I love Jones he IS still my favorite fighter, but he dominated too easily for too long. He didn't go through the tough times guys like Calzaghe, Mayweather, and Hopkins did. He never had to dig deep, and I think that hurt him in a fight like this. He showed courage to keep fighting with that cut, but IMO he didn't get hit cleanly by that many serious punches in this fight. I knew he wouldn't counter off the ropes which he didn't. He would win the first minute then Joe would get him on the ropes, and Jones wouldn't respond at all. Prime Jones was a master at countering off the ropes, and with hard shots that came in flurries. Where Roy responded in any point in this fight with one punch he used to respond with combinations, where Roy couldn't get off, he used to counter with dazzling speed and confidence. That confidence was gone, that great speed was gone, that concusive power was gone, that greatness was largely gone. Side note: Why didn't Roy jump on Joe in the first round? WTF he actually had Joe badly hurt.

Once again Joe shined tonight, I thought Hopkins beat him, I think Roy in his prime still picks Joe apart, I think it might be a little closer than I orginally thought, but Roy lost way more then Calzaghe has in comparing them now to their prime.

Still good job Joe, you made me a fan with the Lacy fight, I thought you would beat Kessler, I thought you would murder Bernard with workrate(which I don't think he did), and I knew the fight would most likely turn out this way.

[Markusdarkus]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

[ICB]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

[Markusdarkus]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

Dont be silly.

[ICB]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

Dont be silly.

No you don't be silly Joe Calzaghe fan boy. Beating a RJJ that is atleast 7 years past his prime doesn't mean Joe Calzaghe, beats all those great fighters at there best moron.

[Tysonbruno]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

Dont be silly.

Jones dropped Calzaghe in the 1st and he was hurt a prime Jones would have destroyed him i understand your a Calzaghe fan nothing wrong with that each to there own and that but your getting a little carried away.

[Gandalf]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

You need to learn how to hedge your statements ICB.

You can state what you state but it doesnt equate to being truth in any way, shape nor form. I happen to think Calzaghe would be competitive against any version of Toney, Jones or Hopkins.

It doesnt make me right though.

[ICB]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

You need to learn how to hedge your statements ICB.

You can state what you state but it doesnt equate to being truth in any way, shape nor form. I happen to think Calzaghe would be competitive against any version of Toney, Jones or Hopkins.

It doesnt make me right though.

Just my opinion Miles like you have your's i never said im right but IMO, James Toney at his best was too good of a counter puncher. When he bothered to actually train. Wow what a fighter i recently watched him take apart Doug DeWitt i can't see Joe Calzaghe beating that version of James Toney.

A young Bernard Hopkins would of been too physical for Joe Calzaghe, it would be much like the Robin Reid fight except a more convincing win for Bernard Hopkins.

And RJJ would of pot shotted Joe Calzaghe, and countered him effectively off the ropes.

Joe Calzaghe wouldn't be blown away in any of these fights, i think just based on workrate. He would be able to outwork lazy James Toney in quite a few rounds.

And i think Joe Calzaghe could also stand his ground and win quite a few rounds off Bernard Hopkins, plus Joe Calzaghe could also win rounds by outworking RJJ on the ropes.

But i still don't think Joe Calzaghe would win any of these fights.

[intoccabile]

The best counter puncher in a long long time, James toney in his prime.. would take advantage of every single hole Joe has in his flurries. I dont see Joe winning that fight with his current style.

Hopkins was an aggressor in his Prime. His reflexes were the same, but his output was much heaviar. If Joe wins a QUESTIONABLE SPLIT DECISION against a Hopkins who looked to throw 1 punch and hold... Then it's pretty obvious who the judges would favor had he fought a more explosive and harder working hopkins of yesteryear.

Just my oppinion as far as toney and hopkins go. I also dont see hopkins losing a rematch. Hopkins knows Workrate kills him.. and he'd be looking to hurt joe in a re.

[Taeth]

I also didn't see Hopkins change anything in his rematch against Taylor. I think he should have come forwad more, look at the trouble Bika gave Calzaghe in parts of that fight. Calzaghe gets even less power out of his punches going backwards, and he doesn't as many straight punches. Hopkins in his prime wasn't just a cerebral fighter like Roy Jones Jr or James Toney were, He was a physical beast that would rough you up, and still have the technique to outbox you, I think he showed that to perfection against Echol, even when he badly pulled his shoulder he was still totally owned Echols, and that is a much worse injury IMO that even a broken hand because you can still punch effectively with a broken hand, but you can't with a badly hurt shoulder.

[GAME]

Out of the great 4, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney...... Calzaghe is the best1 on the form he showed to-nite he is the man.

Uhh no they all would still beat Joe Calzaghe at there best.

Possibly but we dont know that

If thats the case then we have to ask would Jones have beaten Toney or Hopkins at their best etc . Its very rare that the best fight the best in boxing cuz when 1 guy loses its "oh he was past it "

All we KNOW is that Joe beat the American legends and did it in their back yard

[ono]

I love how people are saying 'he was so open it was disgusting'

You really think he would have done that if he was worried about what was coming back at him?

He does that to set traps almost. You see Roy doing it aswell....except he obviously looks a little different. Roy did on numerous occassions last night and Joe backed off because he was expecting a right hand from Roy.

[intoccabile]

I love how people are saying 'he was so open it was disgusting'

You really think he would have done that if he was worried about what was coming back at him?

He does that to set traps almost. You see Roy doing it aswell....except he obviously looks a little different. Roy did on numerous occassions last night and Joe backed off because he was expecting a right hand from Roy.

1. Roy always fights with his hands low.
2. Joe being open virtually everytime he throws a combo are the "openings" im talking about.

[amat]

I would have Calzaghe 3rd or 4th simply because his skillset isn't up to par with any of the others as far as primes go.

He was so open it was fairly disgusting that he wasn't exploited for all that stupid shit he was doing. Look at how open he is for a left hook after those straight lefts he throws, I mean it's not right that Roy didn't even seem to concern himself with it and it was there from the VERY BEGINNING. I shouldn't have got caught up in the fight it was clear from the very start that Roy was going to fight the wrong fight as expected plain and simple he's not Roy Jones anymore I seriously don't think that would have gone more then 4 rounds in their primes.

Calzaghe was faster to the punch then I expected him to be too, knew his combos were fast but I think Roy thought he would have more time to counter. Ridiculous though it was a terrible fight.

[chamiley]

tonight was sad, joe made jones like lacy. calzaghe proved that he is an all time great fighter and in roy's prime out of three hopkins, toney and calzaghe, joe would have given him the most competitive fight with jones still winning. if this is calzaghe's career then he had one of the best careers. he dominated lacy and kessler both who were favored to beat him, 21 defenses of his title and beat 2 of the best fighters of this era in jones and hopkins.