Regarding Hopkins v Calzaghe......

[BIG H]

I know everbody is talking about the RJJ v Calzaghe fight, but I can't comment on it yet, becuase I am not getiing to see it until this afternoon, but I have noticed people popping up again saying that B-Hop beat JC. Honestly how does anybody score that fight for Hopkins, I just don't get it. Even trying to be biased towards Hopkins, watching the fight on mute over and over, I can't give him a single round after round 4. What am I missing ?

[Gandalf]

Calzaghe won it by about 2 or 3 points IMO. I dont think one or two clean blows here and there is enough to take rounds. You are right, after the 4th Calzaghe turned it up, and Hopkins didnt do much at all.

[Trainer Monkey]

Simple, Hopkins lands cleaner, most of Joes shots are on Hopkins arms. Hopkins seriously screwed up not keeping his work rate up though. You can by the book be winning the fight,and the judges wont see it.One of Hopkins biggest flaws as he's gotten older is he relies too much on guile. Against a fighter like Calzeghe that wont fly just because his work rate is so impressive.

[mrodub]

Simple, Hopkins lands cleaner, most of Joes shots are on Hopkins arms. Hopkins seriously screwed up not keeping his work rate up though. You can by the book be winning the fight,and the judges wont see it.One of Hopkins biggest flaws as he's gotten older is he relies too much on guile. Against a fighter like Calzeghe that wont fly just because his work rate is so impressive.

Yep joe has a great work rate,I think jow won it clear,its like this hopkins landed cleaner shots and was more accurate but he got hit more than calzage.
Its like try to say hopkins threw 5 punches landed 4 and joe threw 20 and landed 14, no matter how accurate and clever hopkins was he still got hit more and the science of boxing is not to get hit simple

[intoccabile]

Simple, Hopkins lands cleaner, most of Joes shots are on Hopkins arms. Hopkins seriously screwed up not keeping his work rate up though. You can by the book be winning the fight,and the judges wont see it.One of Hopkins biggest flaws as he's gotten older is he relies too much on guile. Against a fighter like Calzeghe that wont fly just because his work rate is so impressive.

Yep joe has a great work rate,I think jow won it clear,its like this hopkins landed cleaner shots and was more accurate but he got hit more than calzage.
Its like try to say hopkins threw 5 punches landed 4 and joe threw 20 and landed 14, no matter how accurate and clever hopkins was he still got hit more and the science of boxing is not to get hit simple

More like.. Hopkins throws 10 and lands 4, and joe throws 50 and lands 4.

If they both land the same ammount, judges will still favor joe for his workrate.
Alot of people score fights on clean punches not on missed BS.
THOSE people are the ones who have hopkins winning.

[BIG H]

Simple, Hopkins lands cleaner, most of Joes shots are on Hopkins arms. Hopkins seriously screwed up not keeping his work rate up though. You can by the book be winning the fight,and the judges wont see it.One of Hopkins biggest flaws as he's gotten older is he relies too much on guile. Against a fighter like Calzeghe that wont fly just because his work rate is so impressive.

Yep joe has a great work rate,I think jow won it clear,its like this hopkins landed cleaner shots and was more accurate but he got hit more than calzage.
Its like try to say hopkins threw 5 punches landed 4 and joe threw 20 and landed 14, no matter how accurate and clever hopkins was he still got hit more and the science of boxing is not to get hit simple

More like.. Hopkins throws 10 and lands 4, and joe throws 50 and lands 4.

If they both land the same ammount, judges will still favor joe for his workrate.
Alot of people score fights on clean punches not on missed BS.
THOSE people are the ones who have hopkins winning.

But Hopkins hardly through any punches after round 4, never mind land any

[intoccabile]

Yep joe has a great work rate,I think jow won it clear,its like this hopkins landed cleaner shots and was more accurate but he got hit more than calzage.
Its like try to say hopkins threw 5 punches landed 4 and joe threw 20 and landed 14, no matter how accurate and clever hopkins was he still got hit more and the science of boxing is not to get hit simple

More like.. Hopkins throws 10 and lands 4, and joe throws 50 and lands 4.

If they both land the same ammount, judges will still favor joe for his workrate.
Alot of people score fights on clean punches not on missed BS.
THOSE people are the ones who have hopkins winning.

But Hopkins hardly through any punches after round 4, never mind land any

and i agree, completely. I actually didnt see him take his break until round 5 though, and he fought a few healthy rounds later on while tiring.

Some rounds joe hardly landed at all, just hit hopkins on his back and arms and alot of those were slipped by bernard aswell. I dont know.. when i judge fights, i personally look at all facets of the game.

Defense, offense, the whole nine. If hopkins lands 3 punches and then proceeds to make the other person look like an amateur with his defense, he should be rewarded for his defense aswell. NOT just the 3 punches he landed.

Thats my oppinion though, i just fights on every aspect.