Harry Greb vs Joe Calzaghe

[Taeth]

The greatest middleweight ever against the bigger Joe Calzaghe, both imposed themselves on opponents in a similar fashion, both have the ability to box, and good handspeed. WHen comparing them in their respective eras against eachother, who wins if they met in the ring?

[Spicoli]

Hmmm,tough one.Lets see...Ive seen one fight about 12 or 13 times and the Other fight Zero times

But on paper Greb might just have given any Middle of this era nightmares and possibly have double digit DQ losses on his record with todays rule set.And away We Gooooooooo

No reason we can not discuss guys we have never seen in action but different Imo when picking a winner either way.

[Lance Uppercut]

I dont think there is any video footage of Greb; so how could you possibly compare them?

[Chris Nagel]

I dont think there is any video footage of Greb; so how could you possibly compare them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms

Give Sam Soliman faster hands and make him a little harder to hit you have a pretty good idea of how Greb fights. Personally, I'd have to go with Greb on this one.

[CutMeMick]

How the hell can ANYONE determine how good/great a boxer whom they've never seen fight is?

[CGM]

How the hell can ANYONE determine how good/great a boxer whom they've never seen fight is?

Hey, there's one you can ask half the people who call SRR the greatest of all time.

[Beanflicker]

How the hell can ANYONE determine how good/great a boxer whom they've never seen fight is?

Exactly. You can't judge a fighter accurately just on stastics.

[Violent Demise]

How the hell can ANYONE determine how good/great a boxer whom they've never seen fight is?

I'll ask Andre. I'm sure he saw Greb fight a couple of times

[Dark Lord Al]

The greatest middleweight ever against the bigger Joe Calzaghe, both imposed themselves on opponents in a similar fashion, both have the ability to box, and good handspeed. WHen comparing them in their respective eras against eachother, who wins if they met in the ring?

SEANIE now has serious competition for the SIR BELLEND award and title.
Taeth you are a knob.

[Andre]

Of course we cant say who was the better technically.

Not too hard to work out who would have more grit though ,they were much tougher men back then .
HArry Creb middleweight but fought up to light heavy ,fought 294 times and lost eight of them in 13 years. named 'the human windmill 'cause he would come forwards and land from any direction and was booed frequently as the villian in fights from where hits would land.
He had been blind in one eye for about 3 years and retired from the game at 32 (I think the soft boys of today would be at the eye clinic) not still in the ring fighting other champs off their world title with only one eye.
(6 defences).
Turns out Harry should of stayed in the ring they accidently killied him in the hospital with too much anastetic when he did go to get his good eye improved on! These men fought more rounds every fight than they do today and they went all out for every one of them.
With Gene Tunny saying he never wanted to ever fight him again after Harry took his light heavyweight title off him,and Mickey Walker stating Harry as the toughest fighter he ever faced,gives you an idea it wasn't just luck.
Makes Gene Tunny look better than the records too, cause after he took a 15 round beating off Harry and had said he doesn't ever want to face him again he stayed away for a while and worked out how to beat Harry, which he then did on four occasions.

[Beanflicker]

Of course we cant say who was the better technically.

Not too hard to work out who would have more grit though ,they were much tougher men back then .
HArry Creb middleweight but fought up to light heavy ,fought 294 times and lost eight of them in 13 years. named 'the human windmill 'cause he would come forwards and land from any direction and was booed frequently as the villian in fights from where hits would land.
He had been blind in one eye for about 3 years and retired from the game at 32 (I think the soft boys of today would be at the eye clinic) not still in the ring fighting other champs off their world title with only one eye.
(6 defences).
Turns out Harry should of stayed in the ring they accidently killied him in the hospital with too much anastetic when he did go to get his good eye improved on! These men fought more rounds every fight than they do today and they went all out for every one of them.
With Gene Tunny saying he never wanted to ever fight him again after Harry took his light heavyweight title off him,and Mickey Walker stating Harry as the toughest fighter he ever faced,gives you an idea it wasn't just luck.
Makes Gene Tunny look better than the records too, cause after he took a 15 round beating off Harry and had said he doesn't ever want to face him again he stayed away for a while and worked out how to beat Harry, which he then did on four occasions.

Yeah but lets not kid ourselves, the middleweights and LHW's of his day were smaller physically than the middleweightts and LHW's of today. Even Gene Tunney never weighted in more than than 200lbs even when fighting heavyweight.

[Lance Uppercut]

Who wins:

Mike Tyson

vs

Goliath (from the bible)

Goliath was big, but Tyson could punch pretty hard.

Your thoughts.

[Gandalf]

God knows, because I really havent seen anything of Greb besides the footage from earlier in this thread.

Strange thread really.

[Spicoli]

Who wins:

Mike Tyson

vs

Goliath (from the bible)

Goliath was big, but Tyson could punch pretty hard.

Your thoughts.

Ironic it comes up in this thread but legend has it that Goliath had a brittle chin.

[Taeth]

Of course we cant say who was the better technically.

Not too hard to work out who would have more grit though ,they were much tougher men back then .
HArry Creb middleweight but fought up to light heavy ,fought 294 times and lost eight of them in 13 years. named 'the human windmill 'cause he would come forwards and land from any direction and was booed frequently as the villian in fights from where hits would land.
He had been blind in one eye for about 3 years and retired from the game at 32 (I think the soft boys of today would be at the eye clinic) not still in the ring fighting other champs off their world title with only one eye.
(6 defences).
Turns out Harry should of stayed in the ring they accidently killied him in the hospital with too much anastetic when he did go to get his good eye improved on! These men fought more rounds every fight than they do today and they went all out for every one of them.
With Gene Tunny saying he never wanted to ever fight him again after Harry took his light heavyweight title off him,and Mickey Walker stating Harry as the toughest fighter he ever faced,gives you an idea it wasn't just luck.
Makes Gene Tunny look better than the records too, cause after he took a 15 round beating off Harry and had said he doesn't ever want to face him again he stayed away for a while and worked out how to beat Harry, which he then did on four occasions.

Gene Tunney under the tutaledge of Benny Leonard actually beat Greb twice after Greb beat him, remember that Gene was still a novice when they first fought, he had very little experience outside the millitary by that point.