Hamed/Marquez

[C-Lo]

This has come up in a couple of threads I've been a part of and wanted to get an actual one started.

Who ducked whom? Did Marquez duck Hamed or was it the other way around? I want to see what people think.

[RozzySean]

Remember, Marquez was the odd man out for a long time. Morales and Barrera were the bigger names and bigger draws. I'm not sure about this, but I'm guessing the loss to Freddie Norwood took JMM out of the Naz sweepstakes. There is a better case that Naz should have fought Morales. That would have been a bigger draw and by the time Naz fought Barrera, Morales had wins over Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Chacon, McCullough, Kelly, Chi, and Barrera. He also had the WBC belt at FW and Barrera was just coming up from 122. In 2000-2001, Morales would have been the biggest fight out there for him, but he fought Barrera instead. If Naz ducked anybody, he ducked Morales.

[Fenster]

Naz ducked Morales too?

If he had fought Morales instead of Barrera, i guess i would be reading people saying Naz ducked Barrera?

This boxing lark is great

[RozzySean]

Naz ducked Morales too?

If he had fought Morales instead of Barrera, i guess i would be reading people saying Naz ducked Barrera?

This boxing lark is great

I don't know if he ducked Morales. Maybe they tried to make a deal and couldn't do it. Maybe they had something in place if Naz beat Barrera to raise his profile in Mexico. I'm saying that he didn't duck Marquez, because Marquez didn't have the cache and recognition he has now. BUT.....IF (again, I don't know the details and would love to know ) he ducked anybody, he ducked Morales. Morales was at his peak and Barrera's stock was down, because of losses to Jones and El Terrible.

If you compare where Morales was at that point in his career and where Barrera was, Morales was top dog. Morales was undefeated. Barrera had lost twice to Junior Jones and Morales. Morales had far more marquis names on his resume. He was a beltholder at 125.

The Naz fight resurrected MAB's career and put him on the map. Barrera's run of greatness started with Naz and continued with is wins over Morales. Barrera's great claim to fame is that he beat Naz and took 2 of 3 from El Terrible. His peak years came from 2001-2005. Morales peak years were from 1997 - 2002. He jumped into the rejuvenation machine to beat Pac in 2005 and that only adds to his legacy, but Morales true peak ran more parallel to Naz's than MAB or JMM.

[Fenster]

Naz ducked Morales too?

If he had fought Morales instead of Barrera, i guess i would be reading people saying Naz ducked Barrera?

This boxing lark is great

I don't know if he ducked Morales. Maybe they tried to make a deal and couldn't do it. Maybe they had something in place if Naz beat Barrera to raise his profile in Mexico. I'm saying that he didn't duck Marquez, because Marquez didn't have the cache and recognition he has now. BUT.....IF (again, I don't know the details and would love to know ) he ducked anybody, he ducked Morales. Morales was at his peak and Barrera's stock was down, because of losses to Jones and El Terrible.

If you compare where Morales was at that point in his career and where Barrera was, Morales was top dog. Morales was undefeated. Barrera had lost twice to Junior Jones and Morales. Morales had far more marquis names on his resume. He was a beltholder at 125.

The Naz fight resurrected MAB's career and put him on the map. Barrera's run of greatness started with Naz and continued with is wins over Morales. Barrera's great claim to fame is that he beat Naz and took 2 of 3 from El Terrible. His peak years came from 2001-2005. Morales peak years were from 1997 - 2002. He jumped into the rejuvenation machine to beat Pac in 2005 and that only adds to his legacy, but Morales true peak ran more parallel to Naz's than MAB or JMM.

The MAJORITY thought Barrera won the first Morales fight.

Barrera was in the wilderness after the Jones defeat (he spent a period being promoted by Frank Warren and was originally offered, but refused, the Naz fight around this time) but fully redeemed himself against Morales - even though he didn't get the decision.

I don't think it matters who Naz chose to fight - Barrera or Morales. They thought Barrera's style would suit Naz more, so probably viewed him as the "easier" option, and he had been sparked before of course.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Old ground.

Barrera had a four fight deal with Warren when he was at 122, that's it. Maybe they (Barrera) thought it would move them closer to a fight with Hamed.

I think the Hamed camp thought Barrera would come to brawl like he did with Morales. Manny Steward joked they picked the wrong fighter when Barrera fought Jesus Salud.

Back to the topic JMM. At the time - JMM who?

Rain. JMM didn't duck Paq He and many others thought he had won, why shouldn't he get a better pay deal?

[ross]

Barrera's stock was down, because of losses to Jones and El Terrible.

The Naz fight resurrected MAB's career and put him on the map. Barrera's run of greatness started with Naz and continued with is wins over Morales

I dissagree, Marcos stock was very high after losing a decision in his first epic fight with Eric, alot of people thought Marco wan which made him the bigger draw outta the 2.

It was the biggest match to be made for Hamed at that point.

In fact JMM has never been a draw, a good fighter yes but if Hamed were to comeback and JMM was fighting the same night then more people would watch Hamed.

[Julius Rain]

Remember, Marquez was the odd man out for a long time. Morales and Barrera were the bigger names and bigger draws. I'm not sure about this, but I'm guessing the loss to Freddie Norwood took JMM out of the Naz sweepstakes. There is a better case that Naz should have fought Morales. That would have been a bigger draw and by the time Naz fought Barrera, Morales had wins over Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Chacon, McCullough, Kelly, Chi, and Barrera. He also had the WBC belt at FW and Barrera was just coming up from 122. In 2000-2001, Morales would have been the biggest fight out there for him, but he fought Barrera instead. If Naz ducked anybody, he ducked Morales.

exaclty!

If Jmm or Jmms camp ever ducked anybody then it had to be pac, they offer jmm a rematch right away but jmm felt/excuse that he wasnt getting a fair share. Then he went to Chris John for a lot less.

About Hamed, he was screwd no matter who he fought, mab,eric or jmm. They would of all owned him.

[hitmanhatton]

Remember, Marquez was the odd man out for a long time. Morales and Barrera were the bigger names and bigger draws. I'm not sure about this, but I'm guessing the loss to Freddie Norwood took JMM out of the Naz sweepstakes. There is a better case that Naz should have fought Morales. That would have been a bigger draw and by the time Naz fought Barrera, Morales had wins over Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Chacon, McCullough, Kelly, Chi, and Barrera. He also had the WBC belt at FW and Barrera was just coming up from 122. In 2000-2001, Morales would have been the biggest fight out there for him, but he fought Barrera instead. If Naz ducked anybody, he ducked Morales.

exaclty!

If Jmm or Jmms camp ever ducked anybody then it had to be pac, they offer jmm a rematch right away but jmm felt/excuse that he wasnt getting a fair share. Then he went to Chris John for a lot less.

About Hamed, he was screwd no matter who he fought, mab,eric or jmm. They would of all owned him.

WTF, how does JMM supposedlyy ducking pac come into this ??

[The Fightfan]

Remember, Marquez was the odd man out for a long time. Morales and Barrera were the bigger names and bigger draws. I'm not sure about this, but I'm guessing the loss to Freddie Norwood took JMM out of the Naz sweepstakes. There is a better case that Naz should have fought Morales. That would have been a bigger draw and by the time Naz fought Barrera, Morales had wins over Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Chacon, McCullough, Kelly, Chi, and Barrera. He also had the WBC belt at FW and Barrera was just coming up from 122. In 2000-2001, Morales would have been the biggest fight out there for him, but he fought Barrera instead. If Naz ducked anybody, he ducked Morales.

To be honest I didn't know much about Marquez until his fight with derrick "Smoke" Gainer. From what I've heard this is pretty much how it happenend.

[rjj tszyu]

It's probably that none ducked the other. Thats what boxers managers do! It's very rare you will find a boxer who is frightened of fighting anyone or wants to duck anyone. Tyson, Liston and prime Foreman to me were the main fighters who other fighters were genuinely frightened of fighting. All boxers will have nerves before a fight but not genuine fear like they all brought to the game.

As for the outcome though I think Marquez kicks Hamed's ass. As would Morales and as Barrera did. Don't think I even need to mention Pac!

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

[Fenster]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

I have spoken to Hamed on this point , and he clearly told me he ducked JMM and would never fight him.

[Fenster]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

I have spoken to Hamed on this point , and he clearly told me he ducked JMM and would never fight him.

I have spoken to Marquez, he clearly told me he didn't feel ready for the "rocket launchers"

Whoomp there it is!!!