P4P King?

[fan johnny]

What happens to the p4p list if Floyd Mayweather Jr. Returns beats Marquez conveniently and Pacquiao ko's Hatton. Or a say some other scenario happens?

[Quinito]

He'll replace Marquez's spot if that happens.

[Taeth]

IMO he would have to beat Manny as long as Manny is fighting around his weightclass, or Manny would have to lose in order for Mayweather to go above him, I think even beating Marquez wouldn't be enough.

[JazMerkin]

Personally, I have Marquez at #1 right now, but if Pacquiao beats Hatton there can be no denying him top spot, although if Floyd does come back and win well then I might have to re-consider between the two of them.

[fan johnny]

This was a good read on the subject.

Pound for Pound Dilemma: Who’s really #1? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

[eagle]

If they both win a daresay we will see a showdown between the 2 and then all questions will be answered.

[CutMeMick]

P4P lists are like assholes, everyones got one.

It all boils down to you what you think it should be. If you like what the Ring Mag. will do then so be it.
If not then compile your own list and stick to it.

Taeth,
After Taylor beat Hopkins twice I saw many people placing Hop still as #1 because they felt Taylor didn't beat him. Which is reasonable if you can back it up.

I have JMM as #1 and I can back it up why I think he should be #1.
I've had him beating Pac twice by a close margins bothe times and I feel that his reign as a Lightweight is much more impressive then fighting David Diaz and ODLH.

With that being said if Pac beats Hatton (which I think he will) then trust me it WILL def. make Pac #1 with no questions asked from me. But again that's just me their might be someone out there who might still think that beating Hatton is not enough. When he comes around if you find him let me know so we can rip him to shreds together cause that would be absurd.

[Kev]

P4P lists are like assholes, everyones got one.

It all boils down to you what you think it should be. If you like what the Ring Mag. will do then so be it.
If not then compile your own list and stick to it.

Taeth,
After Taylor beat Hopkins twice I saw many people placing Hop still as #1 because they felt Taylor didn't beat him. Which is reasonable if you can back it up.

I have JMM as #1 and I can back it up why I think he should be #1.
I've had him beating Pac twice by a close margins bothe times and I feel that his reign as a Lightweight is much more impressive then fighting David Diaz and ODLH.

With that being said if Pac beats Hatton (which I think he will) then trust me it WILL def. make Pac #1 with no questions asked from me. But again that's just me their might be someone out there who might still think that beating Hatton is not enough. When he comes around if you find him let me know so we can rip him to shreds together cause that would be absurd.

Thing is though if you insist on putting Marquez (or Hopkins after the Taylor defeats) at number 1 then you have to remove yourself from boxing reality.

Just because you personally thought a fight went the other way doesn't mean that the result is open to interperation. It's not, the result of a fight is final, its in the books and that's that whether you were happy with the decision or not.

To follow your own logic Juan Manuel Marquez isn't even a world champion at lightweight (unless you count a vacant wbo strap) as Casamayor was clearly not the linear champ Armando Santo Cruz was.

Edwin Valero is the true linear lightweight world champion as Pitalua took the crown from Santa Cruz and Valero destroyed Pitalua.

Hope this clears everything up.

[Tysonbruno]

Floyd will be P4P#1 soon enough if he comes back as he will beat JMM and Hatton or Pac easy enough.

[C-Lo]

IMO he would have to beat Manny as long as Manny is fighting around his weightclass, or Manny would have to lose in order for Mayweather to go above him, I think even beating Marquez wouldn't be enough.

I'm at the same place. Floyd has been inactive and Manny is coming off a great year for him.

Just set up the fight to settle it...

[Fenster]

P4P lists are like assholes, everyones got one.

It all boils down to you what you think it should be. If you like what the Ring Mag. will do then so be it.
If not then compile your own list and stick to it.

Taeth,
After Taylor beat Hopkins twice I saw many people placing Hop still as #1 because they felt Taylor didn't beat him. Which is reasonable if you can back it up.

I have JMM as #1 and I can back it up why I think he should be #1.
I've had him beating Pac twice by a close margins bothe times and I feel that his reign as a Lightweight is much more impressive then fighting David Diaz and ODLH.

With that being said if Pac beats Hatton (which I think he will) then trust me it WILL def. make Pac #1 with no questions asked from me. But again that's just me their might be someone out there who might still think that beating Hatton is not enough. When he comes around if you find him let me know so we can rip him to shreds together cause that would be absurd.

Thing is though if you insist on putting Marquez (or Hopkins after the Taylor defeats) at number 1 then you have to remove yourself from boxing reality.

Just because you personally thought a fight went the other way doesn't mean that the result is open to interperation. It's not, the result of a fight is final, its in the books and that's that whether you were happy with the decision or not.

To follow your own logic Juan Manuel Marquez isn't even a world champion at lightweight (unless you count a vacant wbo strap) as Casamayor was clearly not the linear champ Armando Santo Cruz was.

Edwin Valero is the true linear lightweight world champion as Pitalua took the crown from Santa Cruz and Valero destroyed Pitalua.

Hope this clears everything up.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Anyone that currently rates Marquez as no.1 has no reason to remove him from the top spot if Pac beats Hatton.

Pac beating Hatton means Pac beat Hatton. It doesn't mean Pac can now beat Marquez. The only way Pac can rate above Marquez is if he beats him. Until then, whatever Pac does, as long as Marquez remains unbeaten, he will have to stay behind Marquez.

[brucelee]

P4P lists are like assholes, everyones got one.

It all boils down to you what you think it should be. If you like what the Ring Mag. will do then so be it.
If not then compile your own list and stick to it.

Taeth,
After Taylor beat Hopkins twice I saw many people placing Hop still as #1 because they felt Taylor didn't beat him. Which is reasonable if you can back it up.

I have JMM as #1 and I can back it up why I think he should be #1.
I've had him beating Pac twice by a close margins bothe times and I feel that his reign as a Lightweight is much more impressive then fighting David Diaz and ODLH.

With that being said if Pac beats Hatton (which I think he will) then trust me it WILL def. make Pac #1 with no questions asked from me. But again that's just me their might be someone out there who might still think that beating Hatton is not enough. When he comes around if you find him let me know so we can rip him to shreds together cause that would be absurd.

Thing is though if you insist on putting Marquez (or Hopkins after the Taylor defeats) at number 1 then you have to remove yourself from boxing reality.

Just because you personally thought a fight went the other way doesn't mean that the result is open to interperation. It's not, the result of a fight is final, its in the books and that's that whether you were happy with the decision or not.

To follow your own logic Juan Manuel Marquez isn't even a world champion at lightweight (unless you count a vacant wbo strap) as Casamayor was clearly not the linear champ Armando Santo Cruz was.

Edwin Valero is the true linear lightweight world champion as Pitalua took the crown from Santa Cruz and Valero destroyed Pitalua.

Hope this clears everything up.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Anyone that currently rates Marquez as no.1 has no reason to remove him from the top spot if Pac beats Hatton.

Pac beating Hatton means Pac beat Hatton. It doesn't mean Pac can now beat Marquez. The only way Pac can rate above Marquez is if he beats him. Until then, whatever Pac does, as long as Marquez remains unbeaten, he will have to stay behind Marquez.

Pac has already beaten Marquez twice. The first one was supposed to be for pac had one of the judges not committed an error. Funny that they did not change the result even though the judge admitted the error. UNOFFICIALLY, Pac won against MArquez.

Second was very close but Pac had the nod of the judges so,OFFICIALLY, Pac is P4P #1.

No debate here.

[Fenster]

Thing is though if you insist on putting Marquez (or Hopkins after the Taylor defeats) at number 1 then you have to remove yourself from boxing reality.

Just because you personally thought a fight went the other way doesn't mean that the result is open to interperation. It's not, the result of a fight is final, its in the books and that's that whether you were happy with the decision or not.

To follow your own logic Juan Manuel Marquez isn't even a world champion at lightweight (unless you count a vacant wbo strap) as Casamayor was clearly not the linear champ Armando Santo Cruz was.

Edwin Valero is the true linear lightweight world champion as Pitalua took the crown from Santa Cruz and Valero destroyed Pitalua.

Hope this clears everything up.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Anyone that currently rates Marquez as no.1 has no reason to remove him from the top spot if Pac beats Hatton.

Pac beating Hatton means Pac beat Hatton. It doesn't mean Pac can now beat Marquez. The only way Pac can rate above Marquez is if he beats him. Until then, whatever Pac does, as long as Marquez remains unbeaten, he will have to stay behind Marquez.

Pac has already beaten Marquez twice. The first one was supposed to be for pac had one of the judges not committed an error. Funny that they did not change the result even though the judge admitted the error. UNOFFICIALLY, Pac won against MArquez.

Second was very close but Pac had the nod of the judges so,OFFICIALLY, Pac is P4P #1.

No debate here.

Yes Pac officially has a draw and a win over Marquez. Going by official results it's fair to rate Pac higher.

But P4P is mythical nonsense.

We don't need to guess the outcome should these two fight. We have evidence of them fighting in their pomp in their best weight divisions.

In my view Marquez beat Pac twice. How can I rate a fighter higher P4P over a guy that has beaten him in TWO different weight divisons?

So in the mythical nonsense that is pound-for-pound - Marquez MUST rate higher than Pac.

[CutMeMick]

Thing is though if you insist on putting Marquez (or Hopkins after the Taylor defeats) at number 1 then you have to remove yourself from boxing reality.

Just because you personally thought a fight went the other way doesn't mean that the result is open to interperation. It's not, the result of a fight is final, its in the books and that's that whether you were happy with the decision or not.

Which is why the first words in my post were;
"P4P lists are like assholes, everyones got one"
What is reality in boxing? I see reality in boxing through my own judgement. I will take a page here and there but not in it's entirety.

To follow your own logic Juan Manuel Marquez isn't even a world champion at lightweight (unless you count a vacant wbo strap) as Casamayor was clearly not the linear champ Armando Santo Cruz was.

OK, that's logical and reasonable.
However at no point did I mention him being a world champion.
My comment was;
"I feel that his reign as a Lightweight is much more impressive then fighting David Diaz and ODLH."

Along with having him beating Pac it puts him as #1 in my books.

Edwin Valero is the true linear lightweight world champion as Pitalua took the crown from Santa Cruz and Valero destroyed Pitalua.

Here's where the "Reality" part of boxing get's hazy.
Santa Cruz vs. Pitalua was for the WBC strap.
Would Pitalua have been rated #1,2 or the next top rated available Lightweight by the Ring then yes you would be correct but he wasn't.
So the lineage was lost somewhere along the lines.

Hope this clears everything up.

Actually I hope I've brought the reality part of boxing to light here.

[CutMeMick]

Taeth I'm looking for my scorecard so don't think I'm ignoring you...