Why is Berto getting so much heat for holding?

[Taeth]

I'm just curious why Berto gets so much heat for holding when I've seen Mayweather, Roy Jones, and especially Hopkins do it all the time in their fights. Even more recently Mosley against Mayorga and Margarito held quite a bit, especially against Antonio Margarito, why does Berto get so much more flack for it?

[HattonTheHammer]

I'm just curious why Berto gets so much heat for holding when I've seen Mayweather, Roy Jones, and especially Hopkins do it all the time in their fights. Even more recently Mosley against Mayorga and Margarito held quite a bit, especially against Antonio Margarito, why does Berto get so much more flack for it?

it was actually a very clever and accomplished performance from andre above anything else.

At this level you cant expect berto to dominate guys in every area and if anything came out of this fight its that berto is quite capable of adapting to differing styles!

[Wadeb_21]

I think he's getting slack because people were expecting him to come out and take care of Urango pretty easily if not by KO without the holding. Thats my only guess.

[Pavlik]

because berto was the bigger and faster guy. what's the holding for.

[HattonTheHammer]

I think he's getting slack because people were expecting him to come out and take care of Urango pretty easily if not by KO without the holding. Thats my only guess.

Many people including myself were predicting a 50/50 contest with urangos power perhaps getting the better of bertos speed.

If you took away andres last 2-3 fights you would indeed believe that he would blow urango away. But the opinion of andre now is that he is a powerful, fast fighter but is still technically naive and will get found out at the highest level!

[OumaFan]

partly how much he did it, partly how he ended the fight by rushing in to hold Angulo in a loving manner, but its mostly cause it seemed so incredibly pointless, Urango is not a good fighter and Berto could have opened up on him (without taking silly risks) but instead he did just enough to get by. Urango is not Margarito, not Calzaghe, etc.

I'm trying to think of a fight where Floyd held that much and I can't do it. Maybe I'm just forgetting something.

[HattonTheHammer]

partly how much he did it, partly how he ended the fight by rushing in to hold Angulo in a loving manner, but its mostly cause it seemed so incredibly pointless, Urango is not a good fighter and Berto could have opened up on him (without taking silly risks) but instead he did just enough to get by. Urango is not Margarito, not Calzaghe, etc.

I'm trying to think of a fight where Floyd held that much and I can't do it. Maybe I'm just forgetting something.

no offence ouma but even you have to agree result comes before performance!

If berto was from anywhere else in the world and fighting his 20th(whatever it is) fight he`d be up against another bum from across the road.

In the US however you toss your guys in the deep end and hope the swim rather than sink which is why you produce the most champs.

[Rantcatrat]

I'm just curious why Berto gets so much heat for holding when I've seen Mayweather, Roy Jones, and especially Hopkins do it all the time in their fights. Even more recently Mosley against Mayorga and Margarito held quite a bit, especially against Antonio Margarito, why does Berto get so much more flack for it?

Hopkins gets heat for holding. It is one of the reasons I gave Calzaghe the win in their fight.

Holding is a tactic that makes sense to employ if the boxer is on shaky legs and at risk of being knocked down. However, it is very boring if used strategically like Hopkins uses it.

How are rounds scored again? What are the criteria?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Mosley/Margarito fight is a dumb comparison IMO, Margarito was the bigger man, and Mosley didn't hold for most of the fight, and with that said, Mosley banged out a TKO, Berto never even put a dent on Urango, say what you will but Berto's power is seriously overrated, his shots look big, but rarely hurt a REAL opponent seriously

[Taeth]

Mosley/Margarito fight is a dumb comparison IMO, Margarito was the bigger man, and Mosley didn't hold for most of the fight, and with that said, Mosley banged out a TKO, Berto never even put a dent on Urango, say what you will but Berto's power is seriously overrated, his shots look big, but rarely hurt a REAL opponent seriously

Margarito and MOsley weighed the same amount, Margarito was only taller that night, and certainly not stronger. I think Mosley was smart in doing it, I just don't see why Berto should be criticized except by the fact that like somebody said that he could have done anything against Urango he wanted to.

How come Berto hurt Collazo while MOsley didn't? How come he stopped David Estrada when Mosley didn't? He's foughten guys with great chins of late.

[Spicoli]

Its one thing that had frustrated me the most as Berto has gone on....and its not a matter of him stepping up & fighting a muscle bound ranked guy with bombs in Urango...he did it against Estrada and he pulled it against the naturally smaller light hitter in Stevie Forbes.He literally efforts to get in and clinch...not as a strategy for setting up offense,or to recoup from being stung,it almost seems like he is doing it to think and/or to catch a breath.

I honestly do not think he knows his 'identity' as a fighter.Is a fast puncher and can flury in combo and move off...and at other times he loads up with one or two big shots and then just falls in holding.Said it during the rbr and may sound odd but His stiff legs do his quick hands a disservice.He was leaning forward so heavy in the Estrada fight,legs rigid then and now.

[Quinito]

I have no problem with it. But he wasn't clinching properly. It was his biggest flaw of the night. A good elite would take advantage it.

[BoxingGorilla]

I'm just curious why Berto gets so much heat for holding when I've seen Mayweather, Roy Jones, and especially Hopkins do it all the time in their fights. Even more recently Mosley against Mayorga and Margarito held quite a bit, especially against Antonio Margarito, why does Berto get so much more flack for it?

I try to judge each fight on the individual circumstances taking place.

Berto was wasting a chance to clobber Urango into submission. In my eyes that was a blatant case of someone not going for the jugular. I think Berto should of beaten Urango like Cotto beat Gomez.

[JazMerkin]

I thought Berto did alright, in my eyes he got a shutout, and people aren't giving Urango's chin the credit it deserves, the guys never been dropped to the best of my knowledge, and I think Berto was just trying to avoid the kind of war he had with Collazo because Urango's power could hurt him. I think he's comin along at a nice rate, and I thought his performance was decent & not the borefest some are claimin

[Majesty]

I think it wasn't so much the holding but the fact that the holding was implemented into his game strategy.