Pernell Whitaker or Manny Pacqioau greater resume?

[Motor City Cobra]

Recently I have become interested in Sweet Pea and was wondering what was the quality of his resume like? Is it greater or worse than present day Pacqiuo and say who Whitaker beat of quality
Thanks

[ICB]

Recently I have become interested in Sweet Pea and was wondering what was the quality of his resume like? Is it greater or worse than present day Pacqiuo and say who Whitaker beat of quality
Thanks

Well obviously Manny Pacquiao has won more titles, but opposition wise its clearly Pernell Whitaker.

Pernell Whitaker

Azumah Nelson
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jose Luis Ramirez x2
Wilfredo Rivera x2
Diosbelys Hurtado
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Rafael Pineda
Roger Mayweather
Greg Haugen
Freddie Pendleton
Jorge Paez
Policarpo Diaz
Anthony Jones

Manny Pacquiao

Jorge Solis
JMM
MAB x2
Erik Morales x2
Ricky Hatton
ODLH
Jorge Eliecer Julio
David Diaz
Oscar Larios
Hector Velazquez

And to be honest put Manny Pacquiao in with some of Pernell Whitaker's opposition, and im pretty sure he would lose atleast 3 times. Put Pernell Whitaker in with Manny Pacquiao's opposition. and he would beat them all quite comfortably except JMM.

And remember im talking about MAB, Erik Morales, at the stage of there career when Manny Pacquiao beat them. Pernell Whitaker would of had no real problems beating those versions of MAB, Erik Morales.

And lets be honest Pernell Whitaker P4P would of gave Manny Pacquiao, a boxing lesson end of and if anyone has seen a prime Pernell Whitaker. I can't see how anyone could argue against it.

[Kel]

Every boxing fan needs Pernell's career set. I would STRONGLY suggest getting hold of it if somehow if you are interested in him.

[Taeth]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

[ICB]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

People need to stop overrating Manny Pacquiao seriously, you don't think JCC wouldn't have beat Manny Pacquiao ? Manny Pacquiao is quick but hittable and very open for body shots, JCC would drag Manny Pacquiao into a place he's never been in before and stop him.

And what about Azumah Nelson ? you don't think he would be able to beat Manny Pacquiao either ? hell even a 100 percent James McGirt would stand a good chance.

And what do you mean Manny Pacquiao fought and beat great competition ? he beat a faded Erik Morales the same Erik Morales who was beaten up by Zahir Raheem. He beat MAB yes but there were circumstances surronding the 1st fight, but yes he does deserve alot of credit for that win, but MAB and was near enough shot in there 2nd meeting.

Ricky Hatton isn't great ODLH was great about 8 years ago, and he was weight drained and hadn't fought at Welterweight in years. And yes i listed JMM only once because he only beat him once, and infact i thought JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice.

Beating Azumah Nelson and a P4P number 1 JCC is far and away a greater achievement. Hell Pernell Whitaker arguably beat a prime ODLH when he was past his prime.

Pernell Whitaker would run rings round Manny Pacquiao, come on get off the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon. Just because he beat Ricky Hatton and a way past his prime ODLH now he's a Pernell Whitaker beater ?

Give me a break Pernell Whitaker would of destroyed that version of ODLH, hell he even made a prime one look pretty ordinary, and Pernell Whitaker gave a much better version of Ricky Hatton aka JCC a boxing lesson. You don't think Pernell Whitaker wouldn't of made Ricky Hatton look stupid ?

I mean honestly this is still the same Manny Pacquiao, who went life and death with JMM. Pernell Whitaker is faster than JMM, much better defensively. And can counter punch just as good and he certainly has a superior jab.

I mean except for JMM who honestly on Manny Pacquiao's resume, would have even won more than 4 rounds against Pernell Whitaker ? and we are talking about the version's of Morales, Barrera, that Manny Pacquiao beat.

No way on earth would Manny Pacquiao beat a prime Pernell Whitaker, jesus people seriously do overrate Manny Pacquiao on this board.

[Spicoli]

Hands down Whitaker.No doubt in my mind.Both will go down as greats,but there was only one Pernell.Manny for all intents and purposes when it relates too outstanding at the moment competition boils down the four fighters.

[kingfrnk]

resume is Whitaker clearly.

[Violent Demise]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

[TheDemolitionDan]

Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.

MAB was hardly shot, Morales still had something left in the 2nd fight, and Ricky Hatton wasn't shot by any means, i don't think Pacquiao's as great as some make him out to be, but he's far from being all hype

[brucelee]

Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.

Then you're not watching boxing. His wins over Ledwaba, BArrera, Morales, DLH,Hatton impressed the world.

PAc first fought a BARRERA THAT WAS POUND FOR POUND NUMBER2 in many people's eyes that time. Some would even argue that he is pound for pound #1. Remember the title "KING OF THE FEATHERWEIGHT?" How can you say he was shot?


Watch pac's fights and tell me you're not impressed.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

Whitaker hands down, especially when his two only valid losses were against DLH and Trinidad, and they were in their primes while he clearly wasn't, Chavez not being able to deal with speed and power? Meldrick Taylor IMO was just as fast if not faster than Pacquiao, and could box a hell of a lot better also, difference in Chavez/Pacquiao is that Chavez would have knocked Manny out a lot earlier than the final round

[Taeth]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

Whitaker hands down, especially when his two only valid losses were against DLH and Trinidad, and they were in their primes while he clearly wasn't, Chavez not being able to deal with speed and power? Meldrick Taylor IMO was just as fast if not faster than Pacquiao, and could box a hell of a lot better also, difference in Chavez/Pacquiao is that Chavez would have knocked Manny out a lot earlier than the final round

Taylor wasn't as tough, Chavez was younger when he fought Taylor and closer to his prime than when he fought Whitaker, and Meldrick Taylor stood there and traded with Chavez too much, he got caught up in his combinations. Sure he had great speed and boxing ability, but he didn't use his footwork as consistently to maintain to large a gap for Chavez to close like Manny would. Also DLH wasn't in his prime yet when he fought WHiatker, he was still a pup.

[brucelee]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

Not to forget that this is the same VD who said DLH will murder Pacquaio and HAtton will crack his ribs. LOL.

[Taeth]

I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

Your the fucking idiot, Did you see prime Chavez against amateur MOsley? He got his ass kicked in sparring. You guys say I overhype Pacquiao, yet you are the ones who are saying that Whitaker has the better resume?

RIcky Hatton, Marquezx2, Barrerax2, Moralesx2 were all in the top 10 p4p when Pacquiao fought them. The third Morales fight I don't consider much, but the second one was a good version of Morales, he was quick, sharp and determined, but Manny broke him. Everybody has bad fights saying the Zahir Raheem fight defined Morales at that stage of his career is like saying Whitaker's first fight against Ramirez defined his ability as a fighter, or Floyd Mayweather against Castillo in their first fight, or Hopkins against Mercado. Sometimes people have bad fights and they just don't bring it like they normally do. If you insinuating that Morales wasn't near top form(obviously he wasn't in his prime, but he was physically in great shape for hte second PAcquiao fight).

Furthermore I've seen Whitaker's career, and I love him as a fighter, but that doesn't automatically make him 10x better than PAcquiao, that would be a stupid assumption. Sure Mayweather and Pacquiao fought Oscar after his prime, but WHitaker fought him before it, and still didn't win.

Pacquiao fought three mexicans who among them two have had careers that some people think equal that of JCC, and the third isn't far behind. Not only that but JCC like I said was coming up to face Whitaker.

Half the guys ICB mentioned on WHitaker's resume like Haugen, etc were c or b- type fighters, the guys like that on Pacquiao's resume don't even get mentioned because there is no need for that, he has foughten so many fights against A- or higher opponents like HAtton, Morales, Barrera, Marquez, and Oscar De La Hoya, and its not just that he fought them, but the three mexicans on that list he faced a total of 7 times and he came out 5-1-1. He beat Oscar worse than Mayweather did, and he beat Hatton way worse than Mayweather did. Make all the excuses you want(even i want to make them because I like Floyd better), but he did it.

Furthermore styles, Whitaker was arrogant to the nine. He would leave his hands down because his reflexes and speed were superior to any person he faced in his career(except maybe Oscar by that point), but Whitaker was still significantly slower than Pacquiao or Mayweather, and his tactics wouldn't have worked against them, if he tried to keep his hands down, PAcquiao would have land on him for sure.

As for how Pacquiao would do against the guys Whitaker faced honestly JCC's style against current Pacman woudln't have worked that simply because of footspeed, we saw JCC have a terrible time trying to find Whitaker when he was moving, or Meldrick Taylor when he didn't stand and trade. Pacquiao would have been able to get in and out at will against JCC, and he wasn't the same level of counter puncher that Barrera or Marquez are, nor did he have their speed. Furthermore had Pacquiao fought JCC under the same circumstances as WHitaker, it would have been him that would have been the naturally larger man. I can concede that at the same size a grinder like JCC would give PAcquiao a ton of trouble, but if PAcquiao was the bigger faster man, it would have been JCC who would be wearing down late, just like he did against Whitaker. Like Azumah Nelson they both fought Whitaker in weights higher and past their prime. Sure Azumah had exciting fights with Fenech after that, but do you honestly think Leija could have beaten a prime A. Nelson?