Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?

[Rantcatrat]

ESPN has Mosley number one at welterweight and Cotto at number two. But, Cotto has beat more top ten welterweights than Mosley - Clottey, Quintana, Mosely, Judah, and Malignaggi (top ten at 140). Mosley has beat Margarito and Collazo and lost to Cotto. Cotto's only loss came at the hands - uhm bricks - of Margarito; that loss has to be at least partially tainted.

Maybe Mosley should be number one, but shouldn't it be more of a close-call than it is made out to be?

[killersheep]

ESPN has Mosley number one at welterweight and Cotto at number two. But, Cotto has beat more top ten welterweights than Mosley - Clottey, Quintana, Mosely, Judah, and Malignaggi (top ten at 140). Mosley has beat Margarito and Collazo and lost to Cotto. Cotto's only loss came at the hands - uhm bricks - of Margarito; that loss has to be at least partially tainted.

Maybe Mosley should be number one, but shouldn't it be more of a close-call than it is made out to be?

Plaster aside, the welterweight division is really tough to properly rank.

The equation

Margarito > Cotto = Cotto > Mosley = Mosley > Margarito

shows inbalance in it's nature.

Ranking number 1 between Mosley and Cotto could spark an endless debate with valid statements on both sides. I personally think Mosley took the number one spot when he beat Margarito who had just taken the number one spot from Cotto. Cotto has not reclaimed that spot yet although he's one elk hair away from it.

[Hunter]

You can make a case for Cotto or Mosley being number one. The whole margarito plastergate throws a wrench into the rankings. If it wasnt for the plaster Mosley would definitely be number one so that is probably why it is ranked like it is.

[boozeboxer]

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

[Rantcatrat]

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

[kingfrnk]

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

[Kev]

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

I agree completely that the Ring is contradicting itself here.

Personally I agree that Mosely should be number 1 because in knocking out Margarito he basically beat the man in the division. Ok so Mosely lost a close decision to Cotto, but Cotto was ktfo by Margarito and which at best puts Mosely and Cotto level and I think Mosely's career record and recent wins have been more impressive than Cotto so he deserves to be number 1 ahead of Cotto.

What annoys me though is that the Ring in a complete contradiciton rate Nonito Donaire above Darchinyan which is a total farce imo. Donaire has only ever faced a single world class opponent, and Darchinyan aside has never fought a world champion past or present. His resume apart from Vic is mediocre at best and the win over Darchinyan is mainly seen as a great win because of what Darchinyan has gone on to achieve AFTER losing to Donaire.

In a frankly ludicrously bizarre decision Donaire has had Darchinyan's wins over Arce and Mijares added to HIS resume which is ridiculous beyond belief.

Following that logic Chad Dawson should be top 10 p4p without question seeing as he beat Adamek who went on to beat O Neil Bell and Steve Cunningham and become the Ring champ at cruiserweight and thus a two weight world champ like Darchinyan.

It's a really weird twist of logic that you have Donaire above Darchinyan because he beat Darchinyan BEFORE he went on to acomplish the great things in his career yet they don't apply that logic to other fighters.

Williams and Dawson, probably Pavlik, Kessler, Haye, Wlad should all be above Donaire along with maybe guys like Juan Guzman.

Even Tim Bradely is a two time world champ which is double the acomplishments of Donaire.

Never has a man been rated so highly for achieving so little as Nonito Donaire.

Sorry to change the thread into a Nonito rant but it really grates me

[JonesJrMayweather]

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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[Lance Uppercut]

THey fought and Cotto won a razor close decision that could go either way-- then mosely destroyed the guy who destroyed Cotto.


Many feel that Mosely is THE CHAMP.

[Kel]

Cotto beat Mosley in a great, close fight but Shane destroyed Margarito who beat Cotto.

That's it really as far as I can see.

[Lance Uppercut]

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps in front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.

[Kel]

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps in front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.

I had to laugh at that. The plastered bastard

[OumaFan]

The thing is I really don't think Cotto-Mosley could go either way. At best I could see Mosley getting a draw but that's a somewhat iffy card IMO. It was close but clear IMO. Even when Cotto was "running" late in the fight he still clearly won 2 of those rounds IMO.

[Kel]

The thing is I really don't think Cotto-Mosley could go either way. At best I could see Mosley getting a draw but that's a somewhat iffy card IMO. It was close but clear IMO. Even when Cotto was "running" late in the fight he still clearly won 2 of those rounds IMO.

It was a Cotto win for me, I am big fans of both guys but I have watched the fight at least 15 times and Cotto won it.

I'd like to see a rematch because Shane is staying active and seems to have found a lot of motivation.

[JonesJrMayweather]

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps in front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.

Of course it doesn't prove anything to someone who can't believe cotto simply got his ass whooped because of bad strategy and not some bullshit cheat tactic. Anyone that paid attention could tell after the mosley fight that cotto was going to be in trouble against Tony.

"i kept hitting him but he just kept coming so i decided to win the fight the easy way" - cotto after the mosley fight