the jones of today vs pavlik

[paddy448]

ive started this thread because a good friend of mine bilbo and i have got into a disagreement of who would win a fight between the roy jones of today vs the pavlik of today. i think jones would school pavlik where as bilbo seems to think pavlik would wear jones down and stop him. i just wanted ur guys opinion

[Kel]

Roy would probably outbox him

[VictorCharlie]

If Roy laid on the ropes against Kelly like he did with Lacy eventually he'd get stopped.

[paddy448]

Roy would probably outbox him

exactly my thoughts mate. pavlik is far 2 1 dimensional for jones. come on people, pavlik would get his head rumbled

[Spicoli]

Pavlik too long,straight and strong for Roy at 40.Come on?His one deminsion would suit him well and Jones could not hang on the ropes.I dont think Roy would be able to walk to Pavlik as Hopkins did.

[kingfrnk]

Pavlik would probably stop him. Dont look too much into Roys win over Lacy. Its just Lacy.

[BoomBoom]

At light heavy, Pavliks punches wouldnt effect RJJ. Roy would baffle him and Pavlik would get picked apart as the frusteration set in. I think Roy has a decent chin and he can take Pavliks best punches and shrug them off. Dont know that Pavlik, who ha little head movenent, could handle Roys snapping punches.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Pavlik too long,straight and strong for Roy at 40.Come on?His one deminsion would suit him well and Jones could not hang on the ropes.I dont think Roy would be able to walk to Pavlik as Hopkins did.

Pavlik's power was gone at 168. At 174 he'd really be done, roy would stop him late. Pavlik made Bhop's hands look like meldrick taylor.. Roy would look like E.Honda from street fighter.

[Spicoli]

Pavlik too long,straight and strong for Roy at 40.Come on?His one deminsion would suit him well and Jones could not hang on the ropes.I dont think Roy would be able to walk to Pavlik as Hopkins did.

Pavlik's power was gone at 168. At 174 he'd really be done, roy would stop him late. Pavlik made Bhop's hands look like meldrick taylor.. Roy would look like E.Honda from street fighter.

He shines but only in glimpse's man.I really think their is some reinvention and star struckness going on as it relates to todays Jones jr.We may be talking Pavlik here...and lets be honest that fight is not happening.But it was far more than just hand speed that saw Hopkins walk to and whip Pavlik.Intangibles that I believe Roy no longer has readily available.I think Jones is over his head right now with top ranked high calibur guys in general.If he gets by Green,I hope he goes out on top.

He is shining with spurts of past speed against stationary non offensive minded catchers in Sheika and Lacy.The latter it can be argued had lost 5 of his last 6 fights.His last big fight vs a guy with volume and pressure saw him shut down & beat up with frankly his heart keeping him upright.You could see the hesitation and him second guessing on rigid legs.When Jones is reduced to pounding his chin and chest boasting of being able to take a good shot......that says it all.And last I checked Calzaghe is not exactly a renowned puncher.

[Kev]

Roy would probably outbox him

exactly my thoughts mate. pavlik is far 2 1 dimensional for jones. come on people, pavlik would get his head rumbled

The only fighter Pavlik hasn't completely dominated in recent years is B Hop, and that was Pavlik on his worst night.

He's completely smashed everyone else including being the first to knock out Jermain Taylor and Edison Miranda.

Jones hasn't just been knocked out twice, he's been knocked unconscious, for several minutes. You don't recover from that and his ability to take a punch has now evaporated.

He's like Chuck Liddell, for sure he still has the skills to be competitive but when the heat is turned up and somebody lands it's going to be good night.

Watch the Calzaghe fight again and see how one sided that fight was. Jones just doesn't have it at the highest level any more.

He can still fight on and entertain, but he needs to pick his fights carefully. Green is a great matchup can't wait for that one, and for the reasons I gave earlier a rematch with B Hop or a clash with Winky would be stylistically suited to Jones.

But the top dogs he can forget about at this stage in his career.

Nobody wants to see him laid on his back again against a fighter who couldn't touch him in his prime and that's likely to be what would happen if he faced Kessler, Dawson, Froch, Pascal etc.

[Galaxy]

Pavlik stops him!

[CFH]

Jones would lay on the ropes and get flattened by Pavlik's right hand. It would be an ugly, ugly stoppage.

[C-Lo]

This is a good concept for a fight. I think this could possibly happen at a catchweight. I think Roy could and would catch Pavlik with a lot of shots and look good at times but Roy sitting on the ropes would be too convinient for Kelly.

If Jones imposes himself offensively, then he could take a decision, but he can't look for spots. He has to make Kelly gunshy, like someone else said in a previous post.

If Jones allows Kelly to punch away on the ropes, this could end up like another Calzaghe fight.

I understand we're not supposed to look too much into Roy's last performance over Lacy but he didn't just make him look bad, he made him look like a child.

[blegit]

I just don't see Pavlik as a what people are saying he is. He is very predictable and telling. I think Roy fighting Pavlik would not be like Lacy. Remember Lacy doesn't just hit hard he also is about as strong of a fighter as you'll see. Lacy's body strength made Roy go to the ropes a lot more than he'd like. Pavlik hits hard but he isn't a strong body. So his pressure is more mobile. I think even this version of Roy would box circles around him. If Pavlik had the body strength he would have beaten BHop like Taylor did. Pavlik reminds me of Trinidad. Sharp strong punches but little body strength. I think you have to overpower Roy at this point. Of course, Pavlik has a puncher's chance against anyone though.

[Kev]

I just don't see Pavlik as a what people are saying he is. He is very predictable and telling. I think Roy fighting Pavlik would not be like Lacy. Remember Lacy doesn't just hit hard he also is about as strong of a fighter as you'll see. Lacy's body strength made Roy go to the ropes a lot more than he'd like. Pavlik hits hard but he isn't a strong body. So his pressure is more mobile. I think even this version of Roy would box circles around him. If Pavlik had the body strength he would have beaten BHop like Taylor did. Pavlik reminds me of Trinidad. Sharp strong punches but little body strength. I think you have to overpower Roy at this point. Of course, Pavlik has a puncher's chance against anyone though.

Pavlik is light years ahead of Jeff Lacy.

As an example look at what Pavlik did to Taylor and then look at what Taylor did to Lacy.

Jeff Lacy hasn't convingly won a fight since losing to Calzaghe, you could make a serious case that he lost every single one 7 in a row, in fact its really hard to say he won more than one, the fight with Manfredo, his other wins were dubious decisions at best.

If Jones thought he could hang with Pavlik or dawson don't you think he'd be trying to get those guys rather than the Lacy's and Sheika's of the world?

When he's fought world class opposition since the Ruiz fight he's been overmatched and mostly dominated. Tarver should have had 3 wins against him, Johnson dominated him, Calzaghe dominated him.

You guys are just wishful thinking, just like when we were expecting the next Tyson comeback, or Holyfield comeback. It ain't going to happen I'm afraid, not against the world's best.