Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?

[rjj tszyu]

I've just read a poll on fightnews Fightnews Poll and looking at it not many people on there seem to give Taylor a chance. I on the other hand have got a gut feeling that he is going to produce an upset, last time he was this big an underdog was when he was ending Hopkins' 12 year unbeaten run, so he definitley has been in this boat before and I think he may well do it again and get his topsy turvy career back on track. I think Kessler ends up overall winner in the super six though.

Does anyone else think that Taylor takes Abraham or have i just lost my mind lol?

[HattonTheHammer]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

[TigerFan]

As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.

Most likely on points.

[HattonTheHammer]

As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.

Most likely on points.

No way he`ll get a decision in germany against sauerlands headline act

Taylor will have to win at least 9 of the 12 rounds to even merit a draw. The judging in germany is the most byest around and dates right back to the days of sven ottke getting backhanded decisions every time he stepped in the ring with a superior opponent!!

[BIG H]

As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.

Most likely on points.

No way he`ll get a decision in germany against sauerlands headline act

Taylor will have to win at least 9 of the 12 rounds to even merit a draw. The judging in germany is the most byest around and dates right back to the days of sven ottke getting backhanded decisions every time he stepped in the ring with a superior opponent!!

Yep, Taylor is gonna have to knock him out to get a Draw

I think Abraham will win on points and probably deservingly

[blegit]

Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.

[Nameless]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

[HattonTheHammer]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

[Nameless]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

[HattonTheHammer]

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

i had it dead even going into the last round as did most people ive spoke to who have seen the fight both in real time and a day later on itv when it was actually broadcast here.

Americans seem to go on who is the more dominant fighter while us europeans tend to go on who`s landing the better shots. As said taylor won the 1st 6 rounds and was at least 3points up going into the 7th but even without the stoppage i would of had it 114-112 for froch

[skel1983]

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

[Rantcatrat]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

Pavlik beat Taylor twice. There is no score to settle; there is no maybe next time. End of story. And Taylor lost four of the 7 rounds to Pavlik in the first fight and if you are running out of gas in the first half of a fight, you don't belong boxing on the elite level. No, it wasn't that he ran out of gas, it was that he was beat by a better boxer. Don't take credit away from Kelly for that win. The second fight was more of the same, but in that fight Taylor fought until the ending bell and still lost. In the second fight, it was Pavlik's right that put the fright in Taylor. In terms of Froch, there are two ways to look at his Taylor fight. The first view is kinder on him: he travelled across the pond to fight Taylor in the biggest fight of his career. The crowd was heavily on Taylor's side and the stadium was packed. It is normal that Froch would take a few rounds to get in his groove. I was at the fight and we could sense that the tide began to turn at around round 7. Championship rounds are called championship rounds for a reason - that's when champions are made. The other way to look at Froch's victory over Taylor is that he was outclassed and Taylor just ran out of gas. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Froch proves he is among the best at 168 if he beats Dirrell because beating Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell back-to-back-to-back, is no fluke.

Anyway, the post was about Taylor's chances against Abraham. My problem with this is not that the fight is in Germany because Jermain Taylor is pretty well-known and liked in Germany; Abraham shouldn't have too much of a bias. I'm sure Abraham would get the nod in a close fight, but he should get the nod in a close fight. Taylor can outbox Abraham for the first four or five rounds, but I question what happens when Abraham connects. Taylor can win if he can stay away from AA's big punches; I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik. My main criticism of Abraham is that his biggest victory is over Khoren Ghevor. You can't really claim to be the best if your biggest victory is over Ghevor. Ghevor is very good. Don't get me wrong, but you get my point. It's a shame Sturm wouldn't fight Abraham. That would have settled a lot at middleweight.

[Nameless]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

Pavlik beat Taylor twice. There is no score to settle; there is no maybe next time. End of story. And Taylor lost four of the 7 rounds to Pavlik in the first fight and if you are running out of gas in the first half of a fight, you don't belong boxing on the elite level. No, it wasn't that he ran out of gas, it was that he was beat by a better boxer. Don't take credit away from Kelly for that win. The second fight was more of the same, but in that fight Taylor fought until the ending bell and still lost. In the second fight, it was Pavlik's right that put the fright in Taylor. In terms of Froch, there are two ways to look at his Taylor fight. The first view is kinder on him: he travelled across the pond to fight Taylor in the biggest fight of his career. The crowd was heavily on Taylor's side and the stadium was packed. It is normal that Froch would take a few rounds to get in his groove. I was at the fight and we could sense that the tide began to turn at around round 7. Championship rounds are called championship rounds for a reason - that's when champions are made. The other way to look at Froch's victory over Taylor is that he was outclassed and Taylor just ran out of gas. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Froch proves he is among the best at 168 if he beats Dirrell because beating Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell back-to-back-to-back, is no fluke.

Anyway, the post was about Taylor's chances against Abraham. My problem with this is not that the fight is in Germany because Jermain Taylor is pretty well-known and liked in Germany; Abraham shouldn't have too much of a bias. I'm sure Abraham would get the nod in a close fight, but he should get the nod in a close fight. Taylor can outbox Abraham for the first four or five rounds, but I question what happens when Abraham connects. Taylor can win if he can stay away from AA's big punches; I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik. My main criticism of Abraham is that his biggest victory is over Khoren Ghevor. You can't really claim to be the best if your biggest victory is over Ghevor. Ghevor is very good. Don't get me wrong, but you get my point. It's a shame Sturm wouldn't fight Abraham. That would have settled a lot at middleweight.

I never said there was something to settle between JT and Pavlik, i just said that skillwise, taylor should have beaten PAvlik, he did screw up for bad conditioning, too bad for him, I agree, I just say that skill wise he's better than him but he didn't have the conditioning neither the predator's spirit to clear him out of water the first time.
As for Abraham vs the rest, I could see him to slowly break down Froch, Dirrell or Ward but I don't see him beat Kessler. At least, personally that's the one as I see as winning the tournament and eventually fighting Lucian Bute to unify the titles as he has the one remaining (assuming he'll beat Andrade, of course.