Welcome back Kelly Pavlik

[Hoggmeister]

Missed the return of one of my favourite fighters last night, because yet again, it wasnt televised in Britain. Good to see Pavlik return to his knockout ways and from what i hear, Espino put up a brave effort before getting stopped so kudos to him. For the people who saw the fight, what did you think?

[markb018]

This is no disrespect to your post at all and definitely directed at Pavlik, I just find it hilarious that nobody cares

No threads about the fight last night

[rjj tszyu]

This is no disrespect to your post at all and definitely directed at Pavlik, I just find it hilarious that nobody cares

No threads about the fight last night

Pavlik has apparently said he is ready for Williams now.

The problem for Pavlik to me as far as no one caring about him is he doesn't have the options he once did opponent wise. He showed against Hopkins that he wasn't an effective LHW so moving up that far is not an option. The obvious fight for him upto 12 months ago was Abraham but he's signed upto the super six which makes him unavailable for Pavlik for at least another 18 months. That leaves him Williams and that is a no win fight for Pavlik IMO. If he wins he will be beating a former WW (even though I think Williams is a natural MW) but if he gets beat off Williams then his career could well be over, because he wouldn't bring much to the table financially should he be beaten by a "WW" and he would be very dangerous to any big name fighter in the future due to his great power and would be avoided quite a bit i think!!

[zbolt]

This is no disrespect to your post at all and definitely directed at Pavlik, I just find it hilarious that nobody cares

No threads about the fight last night

i don't think nobody cares about pavlik. he's still a major player. i think it's becoz people here don't post that much.

[ElTerribleMorales]

This is no disrespect to your post at all and definitely directed at Pavlik, I just find it hilarious that nobody cares

No threads about the fight last night

i don't think nobody cares about pavlik. he's still a major player. i think it's becoz people here don't post that much.

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[skel1983]

I think the fact he was fighting a guy that Peter Manfredo smashed up says it all.

[Gandalf]

I think the fact he was fighting a guy that Peter Manfredo smashed up says it all.

That sums it up. These middle of the road fights, which are little more than sparring sessions with knockouts, are seldom likely to have people frothing at the mouth and posting in mad excitment about what they have just witnessed.

Pavlik won and the interest in him is there, it's just it wasn't a particularly meaningful fight. Now, if Williams/Pavlik gets back on again, I am sure it will garner plenty of attention.

Pavliks a decent fighter, it's just that he became derailed post Hopkins. I like the guy and hope he can get back on track again.

[zbolt]

This is no disrespect to your post at all and definitely directed at Pavlik, I just find it hilarious that nobody cares

No threads about the fight last night

i don't think nobody cares about pavlik. he's still a major player. i think it's becoz people here don't post that much.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ....

i created a thread about 2 hours ago, hatton vs. khan possible fight next year. until now it got no replies. people here don't post that much i think

[ElTerribleMorales]

i don't think nobody cares about pavlik. he's still a major player. i think it's becoz people here don't post that much.

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i created a thread about 2 hours ago, hatton vs. khan possible fight next year. until now it got no replies. people here don't post that much i think

or it could be no one is interested in the tired subject of Hatton vs Khan, it's a fight that's been discussed numerous times, the guys who post here on a regular basis have a minimum of 1,000 posts, you don't do that in five minutes

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

i don't think nobody cares about pavlik. he's still a major player. i think it's becoz people here don't post that much.

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i created a thread about 2 hours ago, hatton vs. khan possible fight next year. until now it got no replies. people here don't post that much i think

OOOOOOORRRRRR... It could be that the minds on this forum know that Khan would get KO'd by even a fading Hatton.

You're welcome.

[CFH]

This is no disrespect to your post at all and definitely directed at Pavlik, I just find it hilarious that nobody cares

No threads about the fight last night

There was a stickied thread dedicate to the fight. It was just a gimme fight with an expected outcome, so I don't think people really have much to say about it.

[No Contest]

I dont like Pavlik right now, due to the fact he made that fight right after Williams got a fight. He clearly ducked Williams and Jack Loew is a douchbag hypocrite because he was calling JT a ducker to get that fight. Well moreso I dont like Loew, Pavlik is alright he just needs to stop doing stupid shit outside the ring.

[CFH]

Missed the return of one of my favourite fighters last night, because yet again, it wasnt televised in Britain. Good to see Pavlik return to his knockout ways and from what i hear, Espino put up a brave effort before getting stopped so kudos to him. For the people who saw the fight, what did you think?

He did ok. He showed good power and poor defense, which I guess is expected at this point. He and Arum also made themselves look like assholes in the post-fight interview IMO.

[The Shadow]

Missed the return of one of my favourite fighters last night, because yet again, it wasnt televised in Britain. Good to see Pavlik return to his knockout ways and from what i hear, Espino put up a brave effort before getting stopped so kudos to him. For the people who saw the fight, what did you think?

Well, it was a mixed bag. Espino is a respectable opponent, who has recently languished in obscurity after winning the contender, only then to fight in small clubs in Mexico. His game plane -- Espino, that is -- was all wrong: he wanted to throw with Pavlik, which ultimately led to his demise. I think Espino's stock climbed after the fight and it didn't do much for Pavlik, who should have pressed hard for a rematch with B-Hop after being completely schooled by the crafty, old-school veteran.

Don't know if any of you have heard, but Jack Leow's -- Pavlik's trainer -- wife has passed away. My thoughts and prayers go out to Leow and his family.

That being said, I think Pavlik will push for the Williams fight. I've been following Williams pretty close and I think that fight -- if it happens -- can go either way. Williams has the superior footwork and natural athleticism, while Pavlik has the big punch. That isn't to say that Pavlik isn't a fine athlete on his own, I just think Williams is a bit better.

It's a fight that has to be made, and after Williams' last fight, I'm sure Kelly is licking his lips with anticipation. We'll see.

[Rantcatrat]

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You have to wonder if Hopkins just laid out the blueprint on how to beat the guy for everyone to see, or if Kelly i sjust feeling like that. I think Jermain Taylor gave him a good run in the rematch and had JT not been so damaged from the battles with Hopkins and the previous KO I could assure you he would have beaten Pavlik. JT just faded out quick, and sometimes that happens to "The man that follows the man".

I think the major issues for Kelly are: he's not fighting often enough, he's in a deadzone in Youngstown, he's gotten thoroughly schooled, and Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez are VERY dangerous fighters right now both could not only beat Pavlik but knock him out, and I think another issue is there's no where for Kelly to run, he's looked like shit above 160...I mean bad enough to the point where you could see a mediocre fighter at 168 totally school him and if that doesn't get fixed 2010 could be Kelly Pavlik's LAST year of boxing especially if he takes another loss as bad or worse than the Hopkins loss.

The guy has ONE loss on his record and it was to an ATG at 10 pounds above his natural weight class. Don't make too much of that loss. As you mentioned many times, Pavlik had a piss poor 2009. Compare his 2009 coming off the loss to Hopkins and Cotto's 2009 coming off his loss to Margarito. It is night and day. Cotto fought Clottey and Pacquiao. Pavlik fought Espino and Rubio. Pavlik needs to bounce back with a big win over an established opponent. We already know Pavlik is better than any B or C level fighter. No more Rubios or Espinos. That is why I asked you, Lyle, who can Pavlik beat to reestablish himself as one of the sport's best. Williams? Sturm? Martinez?

It isn't much, but the only thing Pavlik can take away from the Hopkins loss is that he never went down. He may have taken a beating but he had the heart to stand and deal with it for twelve rounds. That shows big-time chin and big-time heart. The difference with the Hopkins/Pavlik and the Lacy/Calzaghe fight/beat down was that Lacy was fighting at his natural weight, mentally Pavlik can chalk up his loss to being outside his natural element at 170 against a great.

I dont think Paul or Martiniz hit as hard as Hopkins. Also Hopkins outboxed Pavlik at 170 and he atg as well. Paul and Martiniz are 154 pounds who dont even have same boxing skill as Hopkins. Also I can easly see Martiniz getting pushed around by Pavlik by his size and power. Then theres Paul who is there to be hit and which while lead to him getting knocked out. Pavlik is far from prefect but i dont see the jr middle weights giving him trouble to be honest.

I agree with most of this post. However, I like Martinez's boxing skills. I'm not saying he is Hopkins, but he looked good against Williams...at 160. [On a side note, I think Williams negotiated to have the fight at 160 because in my opinion, he knew Martinez may be too much at 154 or at least he wanted every advantage possible.] I can see Martinez giving Pavlik trouble at 160 because Martinez can move and Pavlik will need to catch him to hurt him. Before the Martinez fight, I leaned toward Williams against Pavlik, and I may now too, the difference now only is that I know that if Martinez can hurt Williams, Pavlik can definitely hurt him.