Is Israel a terrorist state?

[Gandalf]

I'm pretty much decided on this issue, but just thought I would start a thread seeing what others think about Israel. Personally, I don't think Israel should have been created in the first place but the way things stand they are here to stay. It is disgusting the way the Americans have supported them over the years really. You can't just set up a country in the middle of another country. Imagine if I told all the governments to set up milesland in the middle of America. Would that go down so well? Oh, you need the Bibles supprt to do this stuff! But anyway, imagine setting up milesland and then me building beyond the borders and saying this is now new milesland. And imagine bombing those that get get upset by proceedings. There you have Israel.

We invade Iraq and we invade Afghanistan? And yet Israel still does as Israel wants? Don't you love hypocrisy?

[Master]

As much as I do not like the idea, it was legitimized after the war.

[El Kabong]

If Israel gets to do what it wants then why don't the other Middle East countries aim to be more like Israel

Israel isn't a terrorist state but they sure as hell don't take any shit

[Andre]

Terrorism:
('tera,rizam')n.

1 The act of terrorizing.

2. The systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal.




Sounds alot like us! Specially in what we first did in order to hand over Isreal to them!




Well we could have given them Albania or Serbia instead! Maybe a portion of Pakistan. Oh northern Ireland there you go..

So long as they call the new country "Countersterrorizum" I think the moral issues and sides will be drawn out.

You my friend can have any part of nth Korea you like, call it Milesland call it what you want we wont care.

[HattonTheHammer]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

[El Kabong]

Islam not only has beef with the Western World because we don't follow Sharia Law. Seriously it's more about that than the oil, let's be honest....the money those bastards get from the oil they have (which we fucking BUY legitimately) allows them to have time to focus on such trivial bullshit as why there's no footbaths in American Airports. I am CONSTANTLY shocked as to why a culture like LIBERALS in the US would side with the Radical Muslims regarding their perceived treatment? I mean the same radical muslims that throw acid on girls trying to go to school and stone rape victims to death.....call me crazy but I doubt Betty Friedan would have approved.

Islam also has beef with itself: Shia, Kurd, Sunni, etc....they all hate each other far more than the Catholics and Protestants ever did. So how can we view it as a "religion of peace" when it's not even at peace with itself

[JazMerkin]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8Ubogdog

I've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough

[Kirkland Laing]

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The fucking irony.

[BoxingGorilla]

I voted No.

[Master]

I voted No.

Well wrote and thought out; must have taken you ages to decide.

[Andre]

I voted No.

Well wrote and thought out; must have taken you ages to decide.

Boxing Gorilla

Banana republic.

[mrbig1]

I vote yes!!!

[Gandalf]

There was a documentary on BBC world last night looking at the way Israel is trying to restrict and control Palestinians living in Jerusalem. I thought it was quite well done on the whole and gave a balanced picture. It showed the Israeli side of the argument, but obviously you side more with the plight of the Palestinians. You see Hyundai bulldozers knocking down Palestinian homes and ignoring the Jewish homes. Many of these houses were not built with a permit whence the reason for demolition, but they focus mainly on the Palestinian homes. They also highlighted how Palestinians would try to apply for building permission, but would always be turned away by the authorities. Now if you can't build legally then what other choice do you have? You have to live illegally, you can't just sleep under the open skies.

There was also a Jewish couple with 5 children and number 6 on the way. They were American citizens, but wanted to return to their 'homeland'. They live with CCTV and Israeli security forces guarding their home. I looked at the husband and thought, "you are one arrogant son of a bitch". He is an American, he should have a home in America and yet he goes to Israel with his wife and kids, when really a Palestinian family with nothing should be living in his home.

[mrbig1]

There was a documentary on BBC world last night looking at the way Israel is trying to restrict and control Palestinians living in Jerusalem. I thought it was quite well done on the whole and gave a balanced picture. It showed the Israeli side of the argument, but obviously you side more with the plight of the Palestinians. You see Hyundai bulldozers knocking down Palestinian homes and ignoring the Jewish homes. Many of these houses were not built with a permit whence the reason for demolition, but they focus mainly on the Palestinian homes. They also highlighted how Palestinians would try to apply for building permission, but would always be turned away by the authorities. Now if you can't build legally then what other choice do you have? You have to live illegally, you can't just sleep under the open skies.

There was also a Jewish couple with 5 children and number 6 on the way. They were American citizens, but wanted to return to their 'homeland'. They live with CCTV and Israeli security forces guarding their home. I looked at the husband and thought, "you are one arrogant son of a bitch". He is an American, he should have a home in America and yet he goes to Israel with his wife and kids, when really a Palestinian family with nothing should be living in his home.

Well said Sir. Palestinian and Jews lived in peace for over a 1,000 years before the European Jews showed up. The Palestinian never knew what a Terrorist was before 1948.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

We invade Iraq and we invade Afghanistan? And yet Israel still does as Israel wants? Don't you love hypocrisy?

Sorry to be ultra cynical here, but Israel does what it does with out any question because the Nations who have the most power to ask, won't be bothering to do so anytime soon.

America & Russia ain't particularly Jewish nations... Nor do the both have an almost inherent tendency to 'engage' Muslim nations.

Here's a quote from wikipedia i just found:
Most religions present in Russia are ethnic-based. Expectedly, their prevalence changes as their respective ethnic groups grow or shrink. The most prominent example of this is Judaism -- the number of ethnic Jews in Russia shrunk by more than a factor of 10 since mid-20th century.

If i were to be specific, i'd say around.... 1948?