Barry Mcguigan thinks Valero should not fight agian..

[skel1983]

Why Edwin Valero must quit ring for the sake of boxing - mirror.co.uk


What do you reckon?? If he has passed the relevant tests and he knows what the dangers are and he is aware of what could happen and he is happy to do it, I think it should be his choice.

[rjj tszyu]

I can see where Mcguigan is coming from, deaths can happen in boxing easily as it is without risking someone who has known brain injuries. If though he can be licensed in other parts of the U.S. other than Texas for example Nevada or New York and his injuries can be proven to have fully recovered through the correct scans then I don't see the problem.

I don't know much about Valero's condition but it must be quite serious if he can't get a license anywhere but Texas. Is his damage still evident, or are the authorities just worried about what COULD happen? Damage can happen to anyone in a fight and if Valero's fully recovered then he has as much right as anyone to fight.

[Violent Demise]

Mcguigan is a fukking idiot. A selfish one at that. Valero ain't no 17, 18 year kid who doesn't know any better. He's a 28 year old man who is very well aware of what he's gotten himself into. Who the fukk is Mcguigan to try and take Valero's career away before it's time? To put pressure on Valero by saying it's for the sake of Boxing is fukked up. And wrong. Boxing is a brutal sport. Valero isn't any more at risk than any other fighter. He can't get a US license cuz everybody is just looking out for themselves. Nobody wants the finger pointed at them if something were to happen to him. Doesn't mean he's in any more danger than normal.

Mcguigan needs to watch the Vincente Mosquera fight. A fight in which Valero took his share of punches without falling and dying. It don't need to be Pacquiao or Mayweather to test him. Mosquera tested him just fine

[ross]

I dont know, something happened 6 months ago here in Guernsey thats a similar type of thing.

A woman with epilepsy had just passed a load of tests to say she was fit to drive, the next day she had a fit and jammed her foot on the throttle and smashed a young bloke on a motor scooter while he was in a queue of traffic, the man died instantly, the woman was fine.

She had epilepsy but passed the relevant tests, Valero has passed tests to fight but it might not be long before he has an injury.

[skel1983]

I dont know, something happened 6 months ago here in Guernsey thats a similar type of thing.

A woman with epilepsy had just passed a load of tests to say she was fit to drive, the next day she had a fit and jammed her foot on the throttle and smashed a young bloke on a motor scooter while he was in a queue of traffic, the man died instantly, the woman was fine.

She had epilepsy but passed the relevant tests, Valero has passed tests to fight but it might not be long before he has an injury.

How the hell is that even similar?? The woman is putting other people at risk not only herself she is accountable for everyone around her when she drives, Valero like VD said is a grown man if he has passed the tests but still knows the risks and he is happy with that imo it's up to him. He has only himself to answer to.

[AdamGB]

At the end of the day it's not up to Barry Mcguigan, I agree - it's not his health.

But it is a valid point - I doubt that the Scooter/Car industry has came under much fire because of that colision, think the point he was making was more about the reliability of such complex tests/conditions.

Can't say I agree with Barry Mcguigan but I do get were he is shooting from... boxing isn't exactly enjoying the popularity it once was (does seem to be growing again mind...) a fatality isn't really what it needs right now... whether it's right or not, or more risky than other sports doesn't matter... reactionary types always jump on it at any chance they can.

I do wonder why, if he is really bothered - does he have to say this publicly? If he was genuinley concerned why not say so privately? This seems like he's wanting to help his image to help his promotions perhaps?

[ross]

How the hell is that even similar??

For fucks sakes

The woman passed the tests required to drive but knew she has eplilepsy, Valero has passed the tests to fight but knows he has a brain injury, something could happen to him as he ups the class of opponent.

[knodaledge]

I dont know, something happened 6 months ago here in Guernsey thats a similar type of thing.

A woman with epilepsy had just passed a load of tests to say she was fit to drive, the next day she had a fit and jammed her foot on the throttle and smashed a young bloke on a motor scooter while he was in a queue of traffic, the man died instantly, the woman was fine.

She had epilepsy but passed the relevant tests, Valero has passed tests to fight but it might not be long before he has an injury.

How the hell is that even similar?? The woman is putting other people at risk not only herself she is accountable for everyone around her when she drives, Valero like VD said is a grown man if he has passed the tests but still knows the risks and he is happy with that imo it's up to him. He has only himself to answer to.

Well yes & no. The physical consequences would only hurt Valero. But could you imagine the psychological consequences his opponent would suffer if he seriously hurts or (God forbid) kills Valero because of this? Everyone wants to win but nobody wants to pay that price.

It is a very complex subject though.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

everyone who throws and takes a punch knows this. No one goes in expecting it to happen and the chances are very slim that it ever will.

[JonnyFolds]

I think the writer is speaking to all boxing fans and doctors/commisioners/licensers et al. None of us have the right to restrict Valeros right to box, but the people in power listen to the public for moral guidance.

I'll be the first to say I would not grant him a boxing licence if it were up to me. No way in hell I am playing God. Look at HolmCall's recent post about upsets, and there's another scenario I wouldn't go for, professionals beating the tar out of guys who've never laced gloves up in Thailand.

Honestly people put yourselves in the shoes of the man granting. Do you think you could do it?

Lastly, of COURSE it would have a huge impact on boxing if Valero died in the ring. The scrutiny would go well past all this PED stuff. I really like watching this guy fight, and at the end of the day it's good that it's up to him. I'm just glad he trains hard, looks good and fights to win.

I dont know, something happened 6 months ago here in Guernsey thats a similar type of thing.

A woman with epilepsy had just passed a load of tests to say she was fit to drive, the next day she had a fit and jammed her foot on the throttle and smashed a young bloke on a motor scooter while he was in a queue of traffic, the man died instantly, the woman was fine.

She had epilepsy but passed the relevant tests, Valero has passed tests to fight but it might not be long before he has an injury.

How the hell is that even similar?? The woman is putting other people at risk not only herself she is accountable for everyone around her when she drives, Valero like VD said is a grown man if he has passed the tests but still knows the risks and he is happy with that imo it's up to him. He has only himself to answer to.

Well yes & no. The physical consequences would only hurt Valero. But could you imagine the psychological consequences his opponent would suffer if he seriously hurts or (God forbid) kills Valero because of this? Everyone wants to win but nobody wants to pay that price.

It is a very complex subject though.

[stebs]

I dont know, something happened 6 months ago here in Guernsey thats a similar type of thing.

A woman with epilepsy had just passed a load of tests to say she was fit to drive, the next day she had a fit and jammed her foot on the throttle and smashed a young bloke on a motor scooter while he was in a queue of traffic, the man died instantly, the woman was fine.

She had epilepsy but passed the relevant tests, Valero has passed tests to fight but it might not be long before he has an injury.

If she was driving a Toyota she has an out and can blame it on the car

[Gandalf]

He shouldn't be fighting. The guy has had a serious accident and that has had an impact upon his life. He can pretend to be a boxer, whilst ignoring his own accident, but that would not be wise. Maybe we should leave him to his own devices, but is that fair if it goes wrong? I don't think so.

[shooter]

I believe Barry had the misfortune to have an opponent die before he was a champ. He has always been in favour of conservative stoppages.

He has experienced something that would see a lot of us think differently

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Mcguigan is a fukking idiot. A selfish one at that. Valero ain't no 17, 18 year kid who doesn't know any better. He's a 28 year old man who is very well aware of what he's gotten himself into. Who the fukk is Mcguigan to try and take Valero's career away before it's time? To put pressure on Valero by saying it's for the sake of Boxing is fukked up. And wrong. Boxing is a brutal sport. Valero isn't any more at risk than any other fighter. He can't get a US license cuz everybody is just looking out for themselves. Nobody wants the finger pointed at them if something were to happen to him. Doesn't mean he's in any more danger than normal.

Mcguigan needs to watch the Vincente Mosquera fight. A fight in which Valero took his share of punches without falling and dying. It don't need to be Pacquiao or Mayweather to test him. Mosquera tested him just fine

To try and take away? Your overacting just a little bit there.

[Violent Demise]

Mcguigan is a fukking idiot. A selfish one at that. Valero ain't no 17, 18 year kid who doesn't know any better. He's a 28 year old man who is very well aware of what he's gotten himself into. Who the fukk is Mcguigan to try and take Valero's career away before it's time? To put pressure on Valero by saying it's for the sake of Boxing is fukked up. And wrong. Boxing is a brutal sport. Valero isn't any more at risk than any other fighter. He can't get a US license cuz everybody is just looking out for themselves. Nobody wants the finger pointed at them if something were to happen to him. Doesn't mean he's in any more danger than normal.

Mcguigan needs to watch the Vincente Mosquera fight. A fight in which Valero took his share of punches without falling and dying. It don't need to be Pacquiao or Mayweather to test him. Mosquera tested him just fine

To try and take away? Your overacting just a little bit there.

Not any more than Mcguigan. For the sake of Boxing? Come on now