Ali footwork

[jahmez]

I've been watching alot of prime Ali again and want to start incorporating some of his counters. I've been a much more stationary fighter up until now and would also like to learn some of his trademark defensive movements. I've been studying his fights but I was hoping I could learn from your experience. Thanks.

[Chris Nagel]

Although, I don't recommend emulating Ali's style, here's a good move that coordinates 1-1-2 with footwork:

Lesson # 3:
“The 1-1-2with fast circular movement”.

Muhammad Ali used to dance revolving around his opponents while simultaneously hitting them.

His famous expression “Float like a butterfly sting like a bee”, came from these movements.

This is one of Ali’s classic combinations:


Figure 1.- sequence.

Let’s suppose that you are dancing on your toes around your opponent (see picture # 2).


Figure 2.- See the line, you will be moving away from it during the sequence.
Throw a fast jab crossing your back foot as seen in figure 3.


Figure 3.- Try to block your opponent’s vision with an open hand.
Retract your arm or glove, but not much (see figure 4).



Figure 4.- Your back foot lands and crosses over the front one.
Throw a second jab uncrossing your feet (see figure 5).


Figure 5.- You connect with this second jab while your front foot is still in the air. Once your front foot lands, follow with a right, and let the inertia work for your body. Just move with your inertia, flow and don’t worry that you may get hit as you have disrupted their pattern and their timing while attacking (see figure 6).


Figure 6.- This punch is aimed a little to the right where your opponent’s face should be because of the angles you made while circling.

[WayneFlint]

that is a very effective movement in the ring the style doesnt suite me at all coz im quite orthodox but i use this everytime i spar and almost always land a heavy right hand because of it and the new angle it creates, ali was very gifted he could do things a lot of people cant and get away with it because of ability, however this movement i believe can be used quite easily at least once a fight and be fairly safe.

[jahmez]

Thanks guys. I do that same move now but I step with my left foot to the left when I throw my first jab. Is that the wrong thing to do? It feels much more comfortable doing this especially when retreating to my left.

Looking at that diagram and Ali's stance I feel that perhaps my stance is too straight on (completely not square). Is that why I feel uncomfortable moving my right foot to the left first when throwing my first jab? If I do that it feels as if the angle I'm creating will cause me to jab too much to their left.

Also, could you guys give me some of your thoughts on Ali's movement, particularly to the left. I've noticed patterns but would really like to get your take on it all. Thanks

[Fran@myboxingcoach]

Hey Jahmez

I think Chris acknowledges at the start of his post that he wouldn't emulate Ali's style, and I broadly agree although, there's some great stuff to learn from him. I'd certainly be reluctant about using the diagrams, the talk about crossing the legs and punching whilst one foot is in the air is a real problem for me. If there's one thing I would pick up from Ali, be it early in his career or later, is his ability to be 'on the edge of range', using deft lay backs and slips to avoid shots and capitalising on the openings and putting real psychological pressure on the opponent. Whether you choose to be highly mobile or not, you should really ensure that your stance is workable. Ensure you don't allow your feet to get in a muddle because of a desire to be too mobile too soon.

Cheers

Fran

[jahmez]

Thanks Fran. I started boxing to help me in a street fight so I made a choice to be a puncher before I even started. Once I started sparring I was always sparred better boxers than me and was never allowed to punch my hardest. This was fine until I started sparring pressure fighters. Now I need to become a better boxer and improve my footwork.

[HerbM]

Lesson # 3:
“The 1-1-2with fast circular movement”.

Muhammad Ali used to dance revolving around his opponents while simultaneously hitting them.

His famous expression “Float like a butterfly sting like a bee”, came from these movements.

This is one of Ali’s classic combinations:


Figure 1.- sequence.

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Are the pictures in this post from a book or online lesson? What is the source? Is it available online?

I am a bit frustrated by the lack of (modern) boxing books, while at the same time I am reading and re-reading everything I can find.

Today, I worked the above pattern-combination both in shadow boxing and on the heavy bag, and this seemed pretty easy and (almost) natural to pick up.

I definitely like it as an alternative for moving to the left.

Although I am MAINLY training to never cross my feet, the real issue is to never be in a position that destroys your balance or mobility, and if such moves are practiced they can certainly be used -- at least from time to time.

Other martial arts (some at least) do offer techniques where the feet are crossed or moved past each other....

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HerbM

[fwaORANGE]

Heh, i've got the same problem here.
I want to move about but the moment i moved, my stance is all wrong.

[HerbM]

Heh, i've got the same problem here.
I want to move about but the moment i moved, my stance is all wrong.

I am just a boxing newbie myself, but believe the experienced folks will tell you something like this:

In the beginning, you must never cross. You move the foot on the side/direction you wish to move first, then you bring up the foot that is remaining EXACTLY the same amount so that you end up precisely in the same stance, but in the new position.

My coach insists we PUSH with the standing foot (the one not moving first). He distinguishes strongly between 'stepping' with the first foot, and 'pushing' with the following foot.

So to move forward you go lead foot, then rear foot. Vice versa for going back. Left foot moves first to go left, right first to go right -- other foot moves the same distance and direction.

I also notice some new boxers standing at the bag and LOOKING down at their feet -- much better to look in the mirror (coach keeps reminding us that is what their purpose).

Then, eventually, being able to reset your stance without looking at all.

Until you can do that, i.e., reset by feel and balance, I would think/advise that you shouldn't even consider crossing over or using any unorthodox foot work.


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HerbM

[fwaORANGE]

When i moved, my feet will tend to change angle.
Meaning it won't be 45 degree, not facing the inner of the opponent's feet.