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    David Haye: Can He Save the Heavyweight Division? | Ringside Report

    By Geno McGahee

    In the 1990s, boxing was good for the heavyweights and for the fans. Lennox Lewis would come along and clean it out and when there were no other worthy challengers, he retired and left a gap. The gap has been filled by the Klitschko Brothers, Wladimir and Vitali.

    Vitali actually had the chance to square off against Lewis in 2003. It was a good fight that Lewis was beginning to win when Vitali suffered a serious cut and fell victim to a TKO stoppage in the sixth round. The courageous performance made Vitali the champ when Lewis retired. The WBC quickly placed him into a title match with Corrie Sanders, a fight he won via TKO in 8. He would vacate the title, retire, and then come back and reclaim it from an uninspired and fat Sam Peter.

    Vitali has a record of 39-2, 37 KO’s, a 90% KO rate, and fights regularly, but he has not captured the imagination of the American public. It’s a combination of things. One, the opposition is weak. Vitali benefits and is also hurt by the current crop of heavyweights. Secondly, Vitali fights in a safety first style, controlling the fight and battering his opponents until they quit or collapse. Americans were accustomed to Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield…guys like that, that would go in there and go to war, but Vitali presents something different. It’s similar to the style that Lennox Lewis brought, but Lewis seemed to have more of a heart for ring wars.

    The younger brother, Wladimir, has a record of 54-3, 48 KO’s, has an 84% KO rate, and fights regularly. He has also not brought in the masses from the states. His last title fight against the capable Eddie Chambers wasn’t even picked up by HBO, which is basically the home for the Klitschko brothers.

    A big part of the reason why the Klitschkos are not as popular as they would be in a competitive division is that nobody thinks that they can lose. They don’t leave anything to chance. They work from the distance, and eventually their power shots will land and end the fight. Sultan Ibragimov, the former WBO Champ, that lost his title to Wlad via UD, wanted to fight but he was so much smaller and wasn’t allowed inside. That is the storyline with many of the Klitschko opponents.

    The contenders nowadays lack charisma and with the networks not broadcasting any fights, they enter the ring as unknowns and leave the ring as the same. Tony Thompson, Calvin Brock, Eddie Chambers, Kevin Johnson, Sultan Ibragimov, and Chris Arreola have not inspired the fans and did not put up any effort in the ring to stimulate interest. They didn’t have the charisma or the fighting heart to go after the champions, but there is one man that apparently does.

    The WBA Heavyweight Champion, David “Hayemaker” Haye, 24-1, 22 KO’s, ruled the cruiserweight division and then made his way up to the heavyweights, taking out Monte Barrett and earning a crack at the gigantic champion at the time, Nikolay Valuev. Although most were disappointed with the performance of Haye, he did come away with a win and put forth an effective game plan. He moved and did enough to win the title. Valuev is a tough opponent for anyone because of his size and courage and Haye was able to use skill and ring smarts to overcome that.

    Recently, Haye took on former 2-Time Champion John Ruiz. Ruiz was 3-3 in his last six fights going into the fight with Haye but could have easily been 6-0 and many contend that he was robbed clearly against Valuev and Ruslan Chagaev. Whether he was or wasn’t, Ruiz was only stopped once in 1996 against David Tua. He altered his style and became a puzzle that most could not solve. Ruiz is a gritty brawler that was a very live dog in the Haye fight…but we found out a lot about the British Champion in his first defense.

    Very early in the first round, a one-two put Ruiz on the floor and in serious trouble. Over anxious, Haye fouled Ruiz, hitting him with a rabbit punch. Haye’s excitement may cost him, especially if he gets Wlad into trouble. The last thing that he would want would be to lose an opportunity to stop one of the Klitschkos because of a foul.

    Haye would stop Ruiz in nine rounds and that has sent a message. Haye is charismatic, quick, and hits very hard. He has gotten under the skin of both Wlad and Vitali with his antics, including presenting artwork with Haye holding both severed heads of the Klitschko brothers.

    Prior to his defense against Tony Thompson, Wladimir was confronted by Haye and told that he was fighting nobodies. Wlad agreed to fight Haye but the Brit would pull out due to promotional problems. Haye would then come close to signing with Vitali but would pull out as well and take on Valuev as well.

    The point of all of this is to psychological warfare and it worked. Both brothers seem irritated with Haye, especially Vitali. Another part of the reason why the fights fell apart in the first place was the rumored demands of the Klitschkos. With the WBA belt around his waist, Haye has more bargaining power. It is something that both brothers want in the family and now it’s just a question of which one will go for it.

    The frontrunner now is Wladimir. It makes more sense for Haye. Wlad has some weaknesses that could be capitalized on and the public would see it as a risky fight. Rumor has it that they will be fighting in the fall, should they be able to seal the deal. Wlad may be forced to face Alexander Povetkin first, a good heavyweight under the guidance of Teddy Atlas, but he is expected to get through that outing. If Haye becomes a reality, there is a chance of step aside money for Team Povetkin to make the fight possible with the winner being forced to face him in their next fight.

    David Haye is what this division needs. He’s charismatic, quick, and hits hard with both hands. He has the style and power to possibly upset the Klitschko brothers and reshape the division. The win against Ruiz reinforced what many thought when he moved up to heavyweight. Haye may go on to rule the division.

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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Don't see much new there, just a Haye fans' opinion.

    I don't mind Haye, all his talk is just that to promote the fights and I'm sure he's a decent guy. He might actually be able to give one of them an entertaining scrap and we can have a mildly competitive Heavyweight title fight for the first time in a while. His only chance against Wlad IMO is to catch him cold, even if he does that we wouldn't learn anyhthing knew that we didn't already know about Wlad.

    Personally though I don't see how he can bring 'order' to the heavys, even if he somehow catches the brothers at the right time he'd most likely retire after that and rob us of some genuinely entertaining fights he could have with Arreola/Adamek/Solis.

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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    the current heavyweight scene doesnt warrant anyone posting an article above 2 paragraphs

    The situation is as clear as day, the klits own the division. A pretender to the throne has been established and now its a matter of waiting to see what`ll eventually go down
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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Nicely put HH.

    Its the only fight any boxing fan wants to see.
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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    the current heavyweight scene doesnt warrant anyone posting an article above 2 paragraphs

    The situation is as clear as day, the klits own the division. A pretender to the throne has been established and now its a matter of waiting to see what`ll eventually go down
    Short and sweet. Perfect
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    Does anyone know where to get that t-shirt of the Klit brothers decapetated?
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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    I love how the line "Can he save the heavyweight division?" is used over and over and over again....saved from what? A 6'6 guy who is always in shape, has KO power in both hands, and boxes exceptionally well FFS chill the hell out and appreciate that we currently have a heavyweight champion that is so skilled he not only knocks out his opponents he makes them quit before hand and in this certain case before the dude ever set foot in the ring!!!!

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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Here is fat Dans view on things.

    W. Klitschko-Haye a heavyweight to get psyched for - ESPN

    I agree it is the first fight since Lennox and Vitali to be able to get psyched for but I disagree about Wlad KOing the "Hayemaker".

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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    #1 That Brit is nothing like Corrie Sanders and #2 the way Wlad is fighting right now this WBA title holder is going to need a horseshoe up his ass to even compete vs Wlad.

    Wladimir is on his game and he is the most dominant heavyweight out there.

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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    #1 That Brit is nothing like Corrie Sanders and #2 the way Wlad is fighting right now this WBA title holder is going to need a horseshoe up his ass to even compete vs Wlad.

    Wladimir is on his game and he is the most dominant heavyweight out there.
    ......against total shite. Personally I thought Hayes performance against Ruiz was just as dominant as anything Wlad has produced since beating Byrd. Difference was it was good to watch too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    ......against total shite. Personally I thought Hayes performance against Ruiz was just as dominant as anything Wlad has produced since beating Byrd. Difference was it was good to watch too.
    So beating John Ruiz (38 years old and coming off of wins vs Adnan Serin a controversial loss to Valuev and a win over Jameel McCline) is just as dominant as anything Wlad has done since beating Chris Byrd?

    I don't know about you but I thought the win over Chagaev was pretty fucking huge. It was short notice, Wlad had to prepare for a southpaw when he had been preparing for a righty, and Wlad never lost even a SECOND of that fight.

    All of you fans of the WBA title holder think it's boring and you think the opponents Wlad has fought don't come to win....well they do come to win but they get that beat out of them real quick like and YOUR BOY will be no different.....well he won't last as long as Chagaev that's for sure

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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    ......against total shite. Personally I thought Hayes performance against Ruiz was just as dominant as anything Wlad has produced since beating Byrd. Difference was it was good to watch too.
    So beating John Ruiz (38 years old and coming off of wins vs Adnan Serin a controversial loss to Valuev and a win over Jameel McCline) is just as dominant as anything Wlad has done since beating Chris Byrd?

    I don't know about you but I thought the win over Chagaev was pretty fucking huge. It was short notice, Wlad had to prepare for a southpaw when he had been preparing for a righty, and Wlad never lost even a SECOND of that fight.

    All of you fans of the WBA title holder think it's boring and you think the opponents Wlad has fought don't come to win....well they do come to win but they get that beat out of them real quick like and YOUR BOY will be no different.....well he won't last as long as Chagaev that's for sure
    See this is were I struggle.

    I can't disagree with a damn thing Lyle just said.... But the fact is, WK is still boring.

    Lyle, can I ask you a serious question? Hand on heart, do you find Wladimir Klitschko entertaining as a fighter?
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    Default Re: Interesting article on Haye and the Klits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    ......against total shite. Personally I thought Hayes performance against Ruiz was just as dominant as anything Wlad has produced since beating Byrd. Difference was it was good to watch too.
    So beating John Ruiz (38 years old and coming off of wins vs Adnan Serin a controversial loss to Valuev and a win over Jameel McCline) is just as dominant as anything Wlad has done since beating Chris Byrd?

    I don't know about you but I thought the win over Chagaev was pretty fucking huge. It was short notice, Wlad had to prepare for a southpaw when he had been preparing for a righty, and Wlad never lost even a SECOND of that fight.

    All of you fans of the WBA title holder think it's boring and you think the opponents Wlad has fought don't come to win....well they do come to win but they get that beat out of them real quick like and YOUR BOY will be no different.....well he won't last as long as Chagaev that's for sure
    Yes but Lyle. Chagaev had NO POWER or no speed, he won a close boring decision over Ruiz ffs. He is shite just like the rest of the shite Wlad has fought. I've said time and time again it's not his fault he is just in the worst ever HW division. I mean Chagaev hit ol' china chin full on after the bell and didn't even rock him so that proves he can't hit.

    Haye has a speed, power, mobility and explosiveness that Wlad has never fought before. He got battered off the last person he fought with speed and power and he was only half as fast as Haye and didn't hit as hard either. It's ok saying how dominant he has been since Steward came in but about the best fighter he has fought was Sam Peter and he floored Wlad 3 times.

    If he beats Haye fair and square then i'll hold my hand up and say yes he is the better man but he's gonna be facing things he hasn't faced before and the annoying thing is you won't accept that FACT. I know Wlad will be the biggest test Haye has fought and it's gonna take a good effort to topple him, but I think Haye will come through and unify this very stagnent and mostly boring division.

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