How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?

[Pavlik]

I think he has the durability and power to beat almost everyone except Andre Ward which I think he might be thouroughly outboxed.

[Otley]

Kelly has reached his peak....hes looking slow and cuts pretty easier now a days.....I say he wouldn't have a chance...maybe beat Green but would struggle with the rest of the pack. To be quiet honest I don't think he has the appetite any more...he comes across has been abit bored of boxing......he should call it a day before he gets a really bad knock out loss


Job Biscuit (Kelly had it in my opinion)!!!


eh eh!!!

[Spicoli]

Shame he didnt get in on it.Think Ward,Dirrell,Kess and Abraham beat him at this stage.Straight shots and power vs Dirrell nice.Sort of strikes me similiar to Green...big punchers with faulty plan B and spotty mental make up when the going gets tough.Pavlik is much more willing but sometimes that will only gets you smacked around twice as badly.

[Rantcatrat]

Kelly v. Froch or Kessler of Abraham is a toss up.

Ward schools him. Dirrell schools him.

He beats Green.

[The Fightfan]

I would have liked to seen him in the mix. At this point I would have him as a toss up against everyone.

[Beanflicker]

I think Kelly is severely underrated now adays and would hold his own against most of the guys in the super 6. I don't think he has a snowballs chance in hell of beating Andre Ward though. Like you said I think he would get outslicked big time.

[El Kabong]

Ward would school him

Abraham would KO him

Dirrell is kind of an enigma he doesn't like taking punches, he loves to stay on the outside, he's the exact opposite of Pavlik and I think that means either Pavlik catches him or Dirrell makes Kelly look foolish.

Kessler and Froch would be close fights at this point.

I would love to see Pavlik-Bute though.

[El Kabong]

I'm no Froch fan but I know he's tough, I wouldn't say Pavlik was sure to beat him.

I fail to see how Pavlik's style gives Abraham trouble, AA would LOVE for someone to come in swinging for the fences so he could wear them out early and counter sharpe late to stop them.

Allen Green vs Pavlik would be a solid fight for Pavlik and if I managed Kelly I'd wait until that was available to book to make Kelly's debut at 168.

[CFH]

I'm no Froch fan but I know he's tough, I wouldn't say Pavlik was sure to beat him.

I fail to see how Pavlik's style gives Abraham trouble, AA would LOVE for someone to come in swinging for the fences so he could wear them out early and counter sharpe late to stop them.

Allen Green vs Pavlik would be a solid fight for Pavlik and if I managed Kelly I'd wait until that was available to book to make Kelly's debut at 168.

Because covering up and letting someone with the power of Pavlik wail away on you is a bad game plan. Pavlik has always been known for his high workrate and he has (or had) great stamina. If Abraham pursued his normal game-plan I wouldn't be surprised to see Pavlik stop him. By no means do I think Pavlik winning is a sure thing, but I feel much the same about this fight as I do about Abraham - Froch. It's a matter of clashing styles and I think Abraham's traditionally low-output would place him at a severe disadvantage against either fighter.

[El Kabong]

If it was just a simple matter of out boxing or out working Abraham then Arthur would have more losses on his record. Right now, based on the loss vs Dirrell you need a VERY slick boxer who is accurate and has some power. You ASSUME that AA doesn't do early damage, when he actually does. AA counters early, he enjoys hurting and stopping his opponents and he has enough power to stop them as soon as he starts countering. I might remind you that AA's counters are crisp, concise, accurate, and powerful...Pavlik's punching has holes and if he misses or is blocked he's wide open to counters. Jermain Taylor damn near stopped him...AA's power would demolish him!

[CFH]

If it was just a simple matter of out boxing or out working Abraham then Arthur would have more losses on his record. Right now, based on the loss vs Dirrell you need a VERY slick boxer who is accurate and has some power. You ASSUME that AA doesn't do early damage, when he actually does. AA counters early, he enjoys hurting and stopping his opponents and he has enough power to stop them as soon as he starts countering. I might remind you that AA's counters are crisp, concise, accurate, and powerful...Pavlik's punching has holes and if he misses or is blocked he's wide open to counters. Jermain Taylor damn near stopped him...AA's power would demolish him!

Abraham has fought one fighter who is superior to Kelly Pavlik and he lost. He's one of my favorite fighters (and I generally have very few fighters I almost always cheer for), but someone with a high work-rate and power will give him a lot of trouble. I think Froch has a good chance of beating him and he's worse defensively than Pavlik.

[Rantcatrat]

If it was just a simple matter of out boxing or out working Abraham then Arthur would have more losses on his record. Right now, based on the loss vs Dirrell you need a VERY slick boxer who is accurate and has some power. You ASSUME that AA doesn't do early damage, when he actually does. AA counters early, he enjoys hurting and stopping his opponents and he has enough power to stop them as soon as he starts countering. I might remind you that AA's counters are crisp, concise, accurate, and powerful...Pavlik's punching has holes and if he misses or is blocked he's wide open to counters. Jermain Taylor damn near stopped him...AA's power would demolish him!

Abraham has fought one fighter who is superior to Kelly Pavlik and he lost. He's one of my favorite fighters (and I generally have very few fighters I almost always cheer for), but someone with a high work-rate and power will give him a lot of trouble. I think Froch has a good chance of beating him and he's worse defensively than Pavlik.

That is a very good point. And if it were against a motivated Kelly Pavlik, it would be tough fight to call. And when I first thought about it, I hear you on the power and volume punching, but after thinking about it I think Abraham would just come out of his shell a little bit earlier and not allow Kelly to hurt him the first few rounds. More and more I think about it, Abraham knocks out Kelly cold.

If either Froch or Kessler are knocked out of the Super Six tournament, either one is a great fight for Kelly in six/nine months.

[El Kabong]

My view is Pavlik & Froch's wide punches, thrown often but with poor defense are a greater risk in a fight than Arthur Abraham's direct punches thrown rarely and defense used well.

Abraham is just too concise with his punches and his punches are too powerful to be overcome by a wilder opponent.

[CFH]

My view is Pavlik & Froch's wide punches, thrown often but with poor defense are a greater risk in a fight than Arthur Abraham's direct punches thrown rarely and defense used well.

Abraham is just too concise with his punches and his punches are too powerful to be overcome by a wilder opponent.

I agree about Froch, I think if Abraham opens up early and counters him effectively he'll stop him. HOwever, if he waits and covers up and lets Froch get going, I think he could be in trouble. Froch often starts slow as well though, so I don't think it would be as big a deal against him as it would against Pavlik.

I don't think Pavlik punches wide though, he's just relatively slow and plodding; I've rarely seen him throw widely.

[El Kabong]

#1 The reason guys like Bernard Hopkins and AA win fights is that they plan to outwork/outland/outbox their opponent for 7 rounds out of 12.

#2 Pavlik isn't super wide but slow, plodding, mentally lacking, and semi-wide with his punches vs when you factor in solid defense and good power punches on the part of his opponent you see he's vulnerable to the game of AA