Pacquiao Should KO Mosley to Prove he is better than Mayweather

[toto]

by MORTZ ORTIGOZA

Since our dream of a mega-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather , Jr. is as elusive as the conclusion of a peace treaty between the Israelis and the
Palestinians, then we should satisfy ourselves to use as yardstick the impending rumble between Manny and Sugar Shane Mosley to conclude who is the most superior between them . Mosley is the less shot
Compared to the last three pugs Manny has fought, Shane is the less shot.
Miguel Cotto was resurrected from his death bed by Bob Arum when he fought Manny. The slow moving and Top Rank’s over-hyped Antonio Margarito – who “hanged” Cotto to the guillotine – was a damaged “goods” (of Mosley’s TKO) when he fought Manny.
Joshua Clottey was a joke after he only satisfied himself in re-arranging the face of Manny from Tom Cruise to Walter Matthau, and then sandbagged himself the whole night
that nearly killed some spectators in Texas with boredom.
Pacquiao has tasted TKO
Cotto, Margarito, and Pacquaio have already experienced what was liked to be in the dream-land at the dais. Mosley has not.
The only experience he got near a knock-out is a knockdown from the bigger and taller Vernon Forrest.
This loss to Forrest (twice) is the argument that his two losses to Winky Wright, and his draw to Sergio Mora is about the size (man that was a joke, er, duke in the Light
Middleweight from a natural Welterweight) and style.
Mosley’s go-go style rumble was no match to a turtle shelled but sneaking hitter Wrights. Mosley offensive style was no match to a long reached Forrest and the run-a-away
defensive style of Mora.
The loss of the Pomona, California native to puncher Cotto was disputable.
His then trainer and father Jack said that Shane has been undermined by a breathing problem because of a damaged tissue that made his clashes with Cotto and Fernando Vargas (twice) sluggish.
But after he undergone surgery for that nuisance tissue that blocked 60% of oxygen he breathed, his performances did not only improve. He knocked out big time two
Abram’s Tank poster boys Ricardo Mayorga and Margarito.
Motor Mouth Mayweather did not even knock down Mosley Even Money May schooled Shane in their last fight, he did not knock him down.But if Manny send him to the canvass, that would be a big blow to Floyd. That would be a mother of all rebuttals Pacnuts could argue with Floyd freaks.
As if Pacquaio has knocked –out too the swashbuckling motor mouth of Nevada native.
Then he could say adieu with Floyd, and instead concentrate for his remiss work in congress (Remember, he kept pre-occupying himself in boxing when he was elected to fulfill a full-time job crafting laws for the betterment of his people and not for himself only) if he intends to win a senatorial and a presidential posts that he wants to aspire in the future.
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[TitoFan]

You write well for a new guy. By the way... I really liked your song "Africa" many years ago.



Having said that, I think your logic suffers a little on a few counts. First of all... IMO Pac has nothing, nyet, nada, to prove to Pretty Boy. On the contrary... the ball is firmly in Pretty Boy's court, except that he won't be doing any dribbling any time soon, except in the slammer. Maybe there he'll find a captive audience who will believe his claims to be the world's p4p, although he's done nothing to deserve it in the last few years. He beat a grossly undersized JMM (not everyone can jump several weight classes like Pac has done), and then beat an unexplicably shy and suddenly old-looking Shane Mosley. (Why he didn't capitalize on that huge right that rocked Pretty Boy early on, I'll never know).

Meanwhile, Pac has defied all odds by beating bigger and stronger men. Say what you will about Pac's opponents. But BEFORE the fights, you'd be hard pressed to find fans with conviction who would've predicted the ease with which Pac dispatched those opponents. It's not Pac's fault that Clottey shamefully decided to rob boxing fans of their money by going into a shell and not fighting that night. And it's not Pac's fault that Cotto came in with a TOTALLY wrong gameplan against him, going toe-to-toe and throwing 1 punch for every 5 of Pac's. It's easy to pick fights apart after they're done. It's called "Monday morning quarterbacking".

But back to your main point. Pac needs to do NOTHING to prove he's better than Mayweather. He already has. It's Pretty Boy who needs to do everything in his power to get that fight and shut Pac's fans up. But that's gonna be a bit difficult to do from his jail cell. So all we're left with are theories and conjectures.

[Taeth]

You write well for a new guy. By the way... I really liked your song "Africa" many years ago.



Having said that, I think your logic suffers a little on a few counts. First of all... IMO Pac has nothing, nyet, nada, to prove to Pretty Boy. On the contrary... the ball is firmly in Pretty Boy's court, except that he won't be doing any dribbling any time soon, except in the slammer. Maybe there he'll find a captive audience who will believe his claims to be the world's p4p, although he's done nothing to deserve it in the last few years. He beat a grossly undersized JMM (not everyone can jump several weight classes like Pac has done), and then beat an unexplicably shy and suddenly old-looking Shane Mosley. (Why he didn't capitalize on that huge right that rocked Pretty Boy early on, I'll never know).

Meanwhile, Pac has defied all odds by beating bigger and stronger men. Say what you will about Pac's opponents. But BEFORE the fights, you'd be hard pressed to find fans with conviction who would've predicted the ease with which Pac dispatched those opponents. It's not Pac's fault that Clottey shamefully decided to rob boxing fans of their money by going into a shell and not fighting that night. And it's not Pac's fault that Cotto came in with a TOTALLY wrong gameplan against him, going toe-to-toe and throwing 1 punch for every 5 of Pac's. It's easy to pick fights apart after they're done. It's called "Monday morning quarterbacking".

But back to your main point. Pac needs to do NOTHING to prove he's better than Mayweather. He already has. It's Pretty Boy who needs to do everything in his power to get that fight and shut Pac's fans up. But that's gonna be a bit difficult to do from his jail cell. So all we're left with are theories and conjectures.

How has Manny proved he was better than Mayweather? He hasn't at all. That's why almost everyone who boxes believes Floyd would beat him. Floyd is way more well rounded, and a adapts better during a fight. Don't get it twisted, Marquez looked poor, and Mosley old because Mayweather made them look that way. He picked Marquez apart, and feinted and peppered Mosley into compliance. You will see on May 7, that Mosley will put up a valiant effort against Pacquiao. I don't think he will win, but it will be a lot more competitive than Mayweather-Mosley.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

You write well for a new guy. By the way... I really liked your song "Africa" many years ago.



Having said that, I think your logic suffers a little on a few counts. First of all... IMO Pac has nothing, nyet, nada, to prove to Pretty Boy. On the contrary... the ball is firmly in Pretty Boy's court, except that he won't be doing any dribbling any time soon, except in the slammer. Maybe there he'll find a captive audience who will believe his claims to be the world's p4p, although he's done nothing to deserve it in the last few years. He beat a grossly undersized JMM (not everyone can jump several weight classes like Pac has done), and then beat an unexplicably shy and suddenly old-looking Shane Mosley. (Why he didn't capitalize on that huge right that rocked Pretty Boy early on, I'll never know).

Meanwhile, Pac has defied all odds by beating bigger and stronger men. Say what you will about Pac's opponents. But BEFORE the fights, you'd be hard pressed to find fans with conviction who would've predicted the ease with which Pac dispatched those opponents. It's not Pac's fault that Clottey shamefully decided to rob boxing fans of their money by going into a shell and not fighting that night. And it's not Pac's fault that Cotto came in with a TOTALLY wrong gameplan against him, going toe-to-toe and throwing 1 punch for every 5 of Pac's. It's easy to pick fights apart after they're done. It's called "Monday morning quarterbacking".

But back to your main point. Pac needs to do NOTHING to prove he's better than Mayweather. He already has. It's Pretty Boy who needs to do everything in his power to get that fight and shut Pac's fans up. But that's gonna be a bit difficult to do from his jail cell. So all we're left with are theories and conjectures.

How has Manny proved he was better than Mayweather? He hasn't at all. That's why almost everyone who boxes believes Floyd would beat him. Floyd is way more well rounded, and a adapts better during a fight. Don't get it twisted, Marquez looked poor, and Mosley old because Mayweather made them look that way. He picked Marquez apart, and feinted and peppered Mosley into compliance. You will see on May 7, that Mosley will put up a valiant effort against Pacquiao. I don't think he will win, but it will be a lot more competitive than Mayweather-Mosley.

Nobody can really be sure as to who is better between Pacquiao and Mayweather until they fight in the ring. It may be true that Floyd would beat Manny but what people would remember several years from now is what happened in their last negotiation, that Floyd was the reason that fight did not happen. If all that happened is the first negotiation, Manny would have gotten the blame.

[Gandalf]

You write well for a new guy. By the way... I really liked your song "Africa" many years ago.



Having said that, I think your logic suffers a little on a few counts. First of all... IMO Pac has nothing, nyet, nada, to prove to Pretty Boy. On the contrary... the ball is firmly in Pretty Boy's court, except that he won't be doing any dribbling any time soon, except in the slammer. Maybe there he'll find a captive audience who will believe his claims to be the world's p4p, although he's done nothing to deserve it in the last few years. He beat a grossly undersized JMM (not everyone can jump several weight classes like Pac has done), and then beat an unexplicably shy and suddenly old-looking Shane Mosley. (Why he didn't capitalize on that huge right that rocked Pretty Boy early on, I'll never know).

Meanwhile, Pac has defied all odds by beating bigger and stronger men. Say what you will about Pac's opponents. But BEFORE the fights, you'd be hard pressed to find fans with conviction who would've predicted the ease with which Pac dispatched those opponents. It's not Pac's fault that Clottey shamefully decided to rob boxing fans of their money by going into a shell and not fighting that night. And it's not Pac's fault that Cotto came in with a TOTALLY wrong gameplan against him, going toe-to-toe and throwing 1 punch for every 5 of Pac's. It's easy to pick fights apart after they're done. It's called "Monday morning quarterbacking".

But back to your main point. Pac needs to do NOTHING to prove he's better than Mayweather. He already has. It's Pretty Boy who needs to do everything in his power to get that fight and shut Pac's fans up. But that's gonna be a bit difficult to do from his jail cell. So all we're left with are theories and conjectures.

How has Manny proved he was better than Mayweather? He hasn't at all. That's why almost everyone who boxes believes Floyd would beat him. Floyd is way more well rounded, and a adapts better during a fight. Don't get it twisted, Marquez looked poor, and Mosley old because Mayweather made them look that way. He picked Marquez apart, and feinted and peppered Mosley into compliance. You will see on May 7, that Mosley will put up a valiant effort against Pacquiao. I don't think he will win, but it will be a lot more competitive than Mayweather-Mosley.

Nobody can really be sure as to who is better between Pacquiao and Mayweather until they fight in the ring. It may be true that Floyd would beat Manny but what people would remember several years from now is what happened in their last negotiation, that Floyd was the reason that fight did not happen. If all that happened is the first negotiation, Manny would have gotten the blame.

Not true, people will remember that they were both at fault and the thing that actually stands out more is that one of them refused to do a drugs test. That has hurt Pac more than Floyd. How can you argue against someone looking for comprehensive drug coverage and the other fighter sitting back saying "stop hurting my pride, no fight". That looks far worse. The fight would likely have happened, but Manny couldn't deal with it in the first place. That's what I remember above all else right now.

Manny was the one looking for that fight and he shrugged his shoulder. Floyd was the top dog and to agree would have been the correct way to continue.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Not true, people will remember that they were both at fault and the thing that actually stands out more is that one of them refused to do a drugs test.

You keep on perpetuating this misconception. Pacquiao agrees to the drug test that is already in place, what he did not agree to is the drug test under Mayweather's terms. But Manny had finally agreed to the drug test as per Floyd's terms in the second negotiation and what happened?

That has hurt Pac more than Floyd.

No, it hasn't. The Pacquiao-Clottey fight is considered a success in terms of arena attendance & PPV buys even when Manny was against someone who is not a crowd drawer. So is the Pacquiao-Margarito fight considering that a number of posters here even advocated for a boycott.

How can you argue against someone looking for comprehensive drug coverage and the other fighter sitting back saying "stop hurting my pride, no fight".

This is highly debatable. A number of people had argued in favor of Pacquiao for not agreeing to Mayweather's terms so there is no point in me bringing this up again.

The fight would likely have happened, but Manny couldn't deal with it in the first place. That's what I remember above all else right now.

So, you think it's unreasonable for Manny to refuse the fight in the first negotiation because of terms that is being introduced by Floyd for the first time but it's alright for Floyd to decline the fight in the second negotiation so that he can go on vacation? Wasn't he just on a long vacation before he fought Marquez?

Manny was the one looking for that fight and he shrugged his shoulder. Floyd was the top dog and to agree would have been the correct way to continue.

Manny was the top dog then (and still is now). Didn't Floyd come back from his retirement to reclaim the number 1 spot? And who was on the number 1 spot then? Do you think he came back just to beat up an overweight opponent? Read DaxxKahn's comment above so that you will be enlightened.

[armyash]

Interesting post but cannot compare fighters on performances against common opponents and decide who is better.

Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF a while and when fighting JMM pac has probably been given his 2 toughest fights in years while mayweather handled him with ease (far too big)

this does not mean that 1 is better than the other it means that they handle different fighters in different ways as they both have their individual styles that give them advantages and disadvantages.

Yes pac may handle Mosley better than mayweather but i find it hard to see mayweather taking as many shots against margarito as manny did.

Like i said when it comes to common opponents you cannot judge who is the better fighter. All it does for me is add to the intrigue and interest in a fight eventually being made and seeing who is the better fighter that way.

[Gandalf]

I don't think stopping Mosley will prove he is better than Mayweather. Mayweather likes to outbox his opponents and isn't shy about going to the cards. I've little doubt that Manny is a harder puncher than Floyd and can also land a lot more than Floyd because of his output, but I don't think stopping Mosley proves anything regarding being better than Floyd.

They will need to face one another to decide that. Pac has been a freak since moving above LW. I don't understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. I think it is all too much for Mayweather and Mayweather will get outworked, but that's just an assumption on my part.

[miron_lang]

I don't understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. .

A - Side Meth?



I Believe Roberto Duran went on to beat a relatively BIG Middleweight in Iran Barkley starting from Bantamweight. How Duran did it might give you some hints on the reasons on how is it possible.

[Gandalf]

I don't understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. .

A - Side Meth?



I Believe Roberto Duran went on to beat a relatively BIG Middleweight in Iran Barkley starting from Bantamweight. How Duran did it might give you some hints on the reasons on how is it possible.

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

[miron_lang]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.