Pacquiao Should KO Mosley to Prove he is better than Mayweather

[Gandalf]

I don't understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. .

A - Side Meth?



I Believe Roberto Duran went on to beat a relatively BIG Middleweight in Iran Barkley starting from Bantamweight. How Duran did it might give you some hints on the reasons on how is it possible.

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

[miron_lang]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.

[Gandalf]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.

The same kind of testing that was used for Mosley/Mayweather then. The kind where they check the blood in addition to urine.

[toto]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

[:::PSL:::]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

Impossible. Floyd would have shattered his fragile hands.

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

Impossible. Floyd would have shattered his fragile hands.

really not the point. I'm saying if we take in to account the gloves being worn against a common opponent in one fight then will have to do it in every fight against a common opponent and that's not really practical. analyzing the fights too deep. performance is all we should be looking at not all the other factors, gloves etc. for every factor you add in to the equation you have to look at other areas of the fight too.

[DaxxKahn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

good post.

right now the way things are looking i agree floyd needs manny but long term the way they will be viewed 30 yrs from now they will both be criticised for not fighting each other. they will both be recognised as greats but they will damage their legacies if they dont put all the BS to 1 side and get it on.

also agree on your comments to toto, too many holes in that argument.

[Spicoli]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

[DaxxKahn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

good post.

right now the way things are looking i agree floyd needs manny but long term the way they will be viewed 30 yrs from now they will both be criticised for not fighting each other. they will both be recognised as greats but they will damage their legacies if they dont put all the BS to 1 side and get it on.

also agree on your comments to toto, too many holes in that argument.

I agree down the road they will both be linked to one another due to this...Make no mistakes about it either man could have done more to make the fight happen so it is not a one sided deal when it comes to fault with these guys....I was going with the current situation....Who knows with thew way Manny has been getting wrapped up with all the outside distractions these last few fights during training camps the tables can turn and it will be Manny who needs Floyd.....Boxing is crazy that way..

[bzkfn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

Daxx I disagree that the only way for Floyd to take the mantle from Manny is to beat him in the ring. Floyd was "the man" before Manny, and Pacquiao never beat him in the ring to become top dog. To become P4P #1, he went about things his own way. If Floyd were to say jump up and beat Sergio Martinez, I think you'd be hard pushed to argue that their positions in the P4P list would be debatable.

[erics44]

i dont reckon the outcome of this fight makes a difference to who is better

even if manny batters him in 3 it doesnt mean he would beat floyd

i think floyd is the better fighter, he hasnt ever come anywhere near losing

since being at the top manny has been run very close twice by marquez (should have lost both in my opinion) and lost to moralez

[DaxxKahn]

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Daxx I disagree that the only way for Floyd to take the mantle from Manny is to beat him in the ring. Floyd was "the man" before Manny, and Pacquiao never beat him in the ring to become top dog. To become P4P #1, he went about things his own way. If Floyd were to say jump up and beat Sergio Martinez, I think you'd be hard pushed to argue that their positions in the P4P list would be debatable.[/QUOTE]

Thats a big if my man...What makes Manny so popular is he will fight anyone...Floyd will not....Now people who debate this topic and I don't mean you in particular I am talking about the Floyd nut huggers and the Pac tards not the true boxing fans always leave some sort of logic out of it....I compare them this way....

We know they are two different style fighters...so to use that as a measuring stick is not fair because one is an all out aggressive fighter who now uses mobility to his advantage instead of just standing there willing to take punches and see who wilts first...That is what made Manny so exciting in the first place...Floyd is a counter puncher that has amazing defense......Each one is the best in bhoxing right now at the type style they fight with but....

Floyd has not really done what a P4P fighter should in the last 4 years has he? Lets be truthful a moment...To be ranked the best you must seek out and fight the best....I mean hell you can have a 10 inch Johnson but if your sticking it in some trashy slut on camera your not a porn star regardless if you have the tool that would allow you to be one....Floyd has chosen his opp very carefully since his close call in the Castillo fight where many believe JLC won forget about the return bout.....His team has gone through great lengths to make sure his opp is taylor made for him...For as good as Floyd is I find it amazing that people refuse to believe this about him....There are reasons why Floyd only defended his WW belt once and it was against Hatton who as I mentioned in another post uses his face as defence....Those who believe that Floyd chose JMM in his return bout from his so called retirement because he was the best available opp out there are idiots....I refuse to even debate issues on PBF with them for this reason...That was a bout where Floyd and everyone knew gave Manny the toughest fights of his career it was going to be a way for him to see exactly what Manny could offer....If he beat JMM with ease then it would have ment he could beat Manny with ease but Manny kept beating these guys Floyd did not want to face or just did not face for one reason or another....Look at Floyds history when he has moved into a new division he has always targeted the most vunerable champion in that division....The record speaks for itself.....Does that mean Floyd is not the talent he is no ofr course he is that good but what does he do with it?.....The 0 means more to Floyd then anything.....

Ask yourself this and I really would like any of his nut huggers to do so and they don't need to share their answer or even change their opinion just come to reality with their selves....

If for fantasy sake lets pretend Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, SRR, Tommy Hearns and Hank Armstrong were all active in the WW division at one time does anyone believe that Floyd would seek out any of them?...We will of course put them all in their prime abillity stage....NO Floyd would not....He could of made big money fights and money is all that matters according to him with Cotto, Margarito, Williams in the WW division...YET we sated he was retiring because there was no one for him to fight?.All these men were undefeated at the time and all could have been paydays for him millions of dollars in paydays....A man like Floyd does not turn down money of that caliber...Cotto was red hot when Floyd retired....Floyd could not say Cotto was not a big draw....The man causes a frenzy when he fights in MSG


Manny fights who ever is willing....Forget the size forget the he is not an actual full fledged fighter of that weight class he will fight them....He gives up size and power in most his recent fights...DLH, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, and even Hatton though not to the extent he gave away size to the others....That is a fighter....He uses his speed to his advantage....That is his main advantage because his power is not that bgreat...he is beating guys with the mass of punches he throws not with power.....Why does he look so ripped? I love how everyone likes to swear it is PEDS....Yet none come to think that is could be because Manny is pushing to make the higher weight and has little to burn off of him....If Manny is that easy to beat and Manny would fall to Floyd so easily then whats the problem?...Why won;t Floyd fight him?.....It does not matter who is better fact is right now Floyd could not make in 5 fights what he would in a bout against Manny....Again to repeat Floyd all that matters is money!!!!

If people believe that Floyd won't fight Manny or anyone because he wants all his opponents to be PED free and wants to clean up boxing then why has he not done something active to get this done? Just refusing to fight anyone who will not take your test is not how it happens...Does he rally other fighters to do the same? Does his website ask fans to sign a petition to submit to commissions? What has he done to help clean up boxing? Boxing is not rampit with steroid abuse there are isolated users but compared top any other sport boxing might have the least problem with it.....The man is full of shit he cares about no one but Floyd....Fine I mean who really does care Floyd Mayweather Jr is not boxing...He has no bearing on anyones life but his and his leaches....To go against what he demanded of Manny now would make him a public fool there is no way around it....Manny right now would get millions to fight a cab driver due to his popularity......He does not need to bargin with Floyd....Floyd does not have all the chips in his corner and he knows it and it eats him up inside.....Either fight or move on man this is craziness....He is like a kid crying over spilled milk yet there is a whole gallon in the fridge....Floyds ego was bruised because boxing moved on without him during his retirement ( I still laugh everytime I think of the farce).....He fucking stayed on the P4P list when retired? That shows how serious it was taken by the media outlets....Manny stole his thunder and thats that......Besides Floyd is actually the #3 P4P fighters right now if people think Manny should be #2.SRR and Hank Armstrong have only been dead for 20 or so years how could they have lost their spot in the ratrings already?.....

Floyd won't fight anyone who won't subject to a PED testing Olympic style because he wants every fight to be fair?

Are we to believe that his baby Mama took an Olympic style PED testing before getting slapped around by him? My God man he truly is looking to make sure all fights are fair

[miron_lang]

The same kind of testing that was used for Mosley/Mayweather then. The kind where they check the blood in addition to urine.

I was hoping Manny would agree to anything Floyd asks as well. just for the fight to get made.


but Manny's pride is comparable to that of Floyd so this fight might not happen.