Berto's corner was nonexistent

[IamInuit]

I have never seen a corner that disengaged, delirious and nonfunctional at this level in 40 years of following the sport. I'm sure their are others if I thought about it but Berto should shit can the entire lot imo.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I agree. I was actually quite disgusted. A fight must be emotional enough as it is without his brother shouting shit at him for 12 rounds... And his trainer was just pathetic really..!

[IamInuit]

Agreed. I wanted to kill his brother and next time he should just bring a deaf mute in as a trainer.

[greynotsoold]

They seemed clueless, alright.

[TitoFan]

I have never seen a corner that disengaged, delirious and nonfunctional at this level in 40 years of following the sport. I'm sure their are others if I thought about it but Berto should shit can the entire lot imo.

Agreed, although Felix Trinidad's corner (particularly his dad) during his fight with Winky Wright fight should merit an "Honorable Mention", at least. Papa Trinidad seemed clueless, and offered no alternate plans for Tito to follow.

[IamInuit]

I have never seen a corner that disengaged, delirious and nonfunctional at this level in 40 years of following the sport. I'm sure their are others if I thought about it but Berto should shit can the entire lot imo.

Agreed, although Felix Trinidad's corner (particularly his dad) during his fight with Winky Wright fight should merit an "Honorable Mention", at least. Papa Trinidad seemed clueless, and offered no alternate plans for Tito to follow.

Yup no plan B. Shame as Tito was a good boxer earlier in his career which he rarely gets credit for. The moment his bone crushing power was discovered they abandoned boxing and began the plodding. I was a huge Tito fan, hell still am. Never liked the father son teams. Jack Mosley is another father who had no business in a corner.

[TitoFan]

I have never seen a corner that disengaged, delirious and nonfunctional at this level in 40 years of following the sport. I'm sure their are others if I thought about it but Berto should shit can the entire lot imo.

Agreed, although Felix Trinidad's corner (particularly his dad) during his fight with Winky Wright fight should merit an "Honorable Mention", at least. Papa Trinidad seemed clueless, and offered no alternate plans for Tito to follow.

Yup no plan B. Shame as Tito was a good boxer earlier in his career which he rarely gets credit for. The moment his bone crushing power was discovered they abandoned boxing and began the plodding. I was a huge Tito fan, hell still am. Never liked the father son teams. Jack Mosley is another father who had no business in a corner.

Uncle-nephew combos sometimes don't do so well, either. Cotto had his uncle in there for awhile, until they had a falling out. Then Cotto inexplicably hired Joe Santiago (?!?!?) as his trainer, until he came to his senses (and lost to Pac), and hired Emanuel Stewart. Best thing he could've done.

[Spicoli]

Its been that way for awhile yeh. When it gets thick it seems to devolve into a cross between a speech by Tony Robbins and quotes the gathered from Rocky, Rocky 5 I'd imagine.
Berto gets that confused face and looks to have no clue.


Less is best. He needs to change things and clean house if its going to help him improve.

[Hulk]

Its been that way for awhile yeh. When it gets thick it seems to devolve into a cross between a speech by Tony Robbins and quotes the gathered from Rocky, Rocky 5 I'd imagine.
Berto gets that confused face and looks to have no clue.


Less is best. He needs to change things and clean house if its going to help him improve.

"Be an Assassin Andre ! Be an assassin !"

[JonnyFolds]

I have never seen a corner that disengaged, delirious and nonfunctional at this level in 40 years of following the sport. I'm sure their are others if I thought about it but Berto should shit can the entire lot imo.

Agreed, although Felix Trinidad's corner (particularly his dad) during his fight with Winky Wright fight should merit an "Honorable Mention", at least. Papa Trinidad seemed clueless, and offered no alternate plans for Tito to follow.

Yup no plan B. Shame as Tito was a good boxer earlier in his career which he rarely gets credit for. The moment his bone crushing power was discovered they abandoned boxing and began the plodding. I was a huge Tito fan, hell still am. Never liked the father son teams. Jack Mosley is another father who had no business in a corner.

Uncle-nephew combos sometimes don't do so well, either. Cotto had his uncle in there for awhile, until they had a falling out. Then Cotto inexplicably hired Joe Santiago (?!?!?) as his trainer, until he came to his senses (and lost to Pac), and hired Emanuel Stewart. Best thing he could've done.

Judah: Zab and Yoel... Look what his dumb-ass father and PBFs uncle did for them 4-5 years ago. Perfect example of how family can hold you back. If he had two guys who gave a shit about their fighters and not just family machismo, they would have let their fighters settle up in the ring.. Not fight as trainers in the ring! Nobody is paying to see that.

You know.. if any time Zabs corner should have erupted is when he fought Cotto. Cotto fought one of the dirtiest fights I had ever whitnessed against Zab.

Berto's brother is s F***ing moron. He would just repeat whatever the trainer said, but with a different emphasis. He clearly knows nothing about boxing.

Berto needs to go back and figure out who his core people are when fight night comes around. All things considered I don't think he could win that fight sitting on the ropes like he was anyway. But maybe if he had a real cornerman he would get told not to do that.

[Taeth]

I have never seen a corner that disengaged, delirious and nonfunctional at this level in 40 years of following the sport. I'm sure their are others if I thought about it but Berto should shit can the entire lot imo.

Agreed, although Felix Trinidad's corner (particularly his dad) during his fight with Winky Wright fight should merit an "Honorable Mention", at least. Papa Trinidad seemed clueless, and offered no alternate plans for Tito to follow.

Yup no plan B. Shame as Tito was a good boxer earlier in his career which he rarely gets credit for. The moment his bone crushing power was discovered they abandoned boxing and began the plodding. I was a huge Tito fan, hell still am. Never liked the father son teams. Jack Mosley is another father who had no business in a corner.

Tito was never a pure boxer even early. People just didn't realize how lead leg heavy he was until later on in his career. If you made Trinidad have to pick up his feet and reset himself then he literally couldn't punch.

As for Berto, I honestly never liked his trainer. This kid has a tremendous athletic potential, and yet he gets hit all the time, he has no defense. He doesn't feint or change it up at all. I thought he had that ability because he showed some signs of defense in his career before, but it's getting worse and worse, and I hope this is a wake up call, he needs to change his trainer first, and then his whole structure second.

[ElTerribleMorales]

IMO Berto's bad habits have finally come back to bite him in the ass, same thing with Lopez, Berto was happy fighting B level fighters and calling out the big names like Mayweather, Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto, yet would fight guys like Quintana, Freddy Hernandez, and Juan Urango (who would have been a good win at 140 and if he won like Alexander did), Berto IMO was never that good and too flawed for the big stage, Ortiz knocks him cold in a rematch

[fan johnny]

As if he had a corner before? Betro lost this fight because he got beat the shit out of by Ortiz. Corner or no corner he still gets ass beat.

[greynotsoold]

The whole idea about "how to fight a southpaw"- that being your left foot outside his right foot, throw the hook and straight right has been invented by people that don't and have never fought. When you are boxing, the idea is to get the inside punching position. By doing the above you surrender it. You put your lead hand- about 80% of your offense- outside his shoulder, where it can't land. You beat a southpaw by going to his left hand, making him throw it, then countering with left hooks or right uppercuts.
With Ortiz, you want him to establish that position- his right foot outside your left foot- because his left hand is weak, and because, and Berto hit him with this, once you go to his left he will flat turn around and follow you. He walks into the right hand. He got nailed doing this and went down, in the 6th, and Berto narrowly missed the same punch at least three more times. He was that close to winning.
They should have been telling Berto to slide right (not bail out like he often did) and hook of Ortiz's left, or make him turn and fire his right. Ortiz fought hard and clearly won, but he was never more than a punch away from it going the other way. Good drama.

[fan johnny]

IMO Berto's bad habits have finally come back to bite him in the ass, same thing with Lopez, Berto was happy fighting B level fighters and calling out the big names like Mayweather, Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto, yet would fight guys like Quintana, Freddy Hernandez, and Juan Urango (who would have been a good win at 140 and if he won like Alexander did), Berto IMO was never that good and too flawed for the big stage, Ortiz knocks him cold in a rematch

Berto didn't listen to his corner. Had he been listening he would have stopped looking for a knockout shot and boxed more, just like they were telling him to do, and got hit less. My guess is that Berto's mistake is he thinks all he has to do is load up and connect and the fight is over.