Would A Prime ODLH Have Beaten Manny Pacquiao ?

[ICB]

I was just watching some ODLH fights again, and i was just wondering how he would of done against Manny Pacquiao in his prime. I personally think he would of won, ODLH had enough power, speed, movement, chin, and boxing skill to beat Manny Pacquiao.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pacquiao still hasn't faced anyone like a prime DLH, and everyone he's beaten at 140 up DLH would have handled just as easy IMO (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito), his chin was as solid as they come, he had good power and was always dangerous, his speed at 147 was just as good and he was technically superior to Pacquiao, he's naturally bigger than Pacquiao and if he wasn't weight drained he'd use his size advantage catching Manny every time Manny would miss, IMO DLH would win a UD something like 8 rounds to 4 or he'd stop him late, somewhere around the 8th or 9th

[SweetPea]

I don't think prime Oscar would beat prime Pacquiao.

Prime Pacquiao is better than the old, past-his-prime version of Whitaker that Oscar struggled with.

I'm not an Oscar hater, but he was losing big fights even at his peak.

[ICB]

I don't think prime Oscar would beat prime Pacquiao.

Prime Pacquiao is better than the old, past-his-prime version of Whitaker that Oscar struggled with.

I'm not an Oscar hater, but he was losing big fights even at his peak.

Sorry i disagree totally, Pernell Whitaker is a totally different fighter to Manny Pacquiao. Yes there both Southpaw's but thats where the similarities end.

Pernell Whitaker is ridiculously slick and the problems he gave ODLH, Manny Pacquiao wouldn't give him. I mean Hector Camacho was a good Southpaw, and ODLH totally dominated him.

And in ODLH's close decision losses, he should of got the nod over both Mosley 2, Trinidad. And even in his close wins they wern't robberies, well the Felix Sturm one was borderline, but ODLH was out of shape and was no Middleweight.

ODLH was also 5'10 fast/strong, could Manny Pacquiao have handled the power ? just imagine if ODLH's famous left hook landed.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I don't think prime Oscar would beat prime Pacquiao.

Prime Pacquiao is better than the old, past-his-prime version of Whitaker that Oscar struggled with.

I'm not an Oscar hater, but he was losing big fights even at his peak.

Sorry i disagree totally, Pernell Whitaker is a totally different fighter to Manny Pacquiao. Yes there both Southpaw's but thats where the similarities end.

Pernell Whitaker is ridiculously slick and the problems he gave ODLH, Manny Pacquiao wouldn't give him. I mean Hector Camacho was a good Southpaw, and ODLH totally dominated him.

And in ODLH's close decision losses, he should of got the nod over both Mosley 2, Trinidad. And even in his close wins they wern't robberies, well the Felix Sturm one was borderline, but ODLH was out of shape and was no Middleweight.

ODLH was also 5'10 fast/strong, could Manny Pacquiao have handled the power ? just imagine if ODLH's famous left hook landed.

also dont forget that he also used to use the double jab constantly mix it up, 2 jabs up top or he'd jab to the head then to the body, IMO Pacquiao would have been lost in what to do and when to lunge in

[marbleheadmaui]

Yup. Oscar at 135 would have defeated the Manny who fought at 135 and under, Manny wasn't yet technically proficient and over 135 I think Oscar's size and skill would have been too much.

But I really think the question is a bit unfair. Manny is, by today's standards, really a 135. Oscar peaked at 147.

[rjj tszyu]

I think the ODLH that was ROBBED against Tito would have beaten Pac. Not a dig at Pac as Naturally Oscar was quite a bit bigger!

[generalbulldog]

As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.

That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.

[Master]

Maybe ODH could have won the fight but blow it away by running the last few rounds.

[Hulk]

Prime Oscar and Prime Mosley both whip Pacquaio. Both were far bigger men, with tremendous talent and power. Elite athletes.

[mafiajoey]

Oscar wins

[marbleheadmaui]

As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.

That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.

This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.

At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...

[generalbulldog]

As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.

That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.

This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.

At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...

I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.

And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"

[Violent Demise]

As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.

That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.

This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.

At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...

I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.

And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"

The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.

If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?

[Violent Demise]

As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.

That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.

You have any idea how many times Teddy has been wrong?