To those who think the decision was fair..........

[TitoFan]

Stop and think. With all the indications to the contrary... with all the outpouring of disbelief and outrage over the decision... with the humongous majority believing it was a robbery... do you really (I mean really) in your heart believe the decision was fair? Just a small sampling of the indications to the contrary below:

1. CompuBox - Stop dumping on CompuBox 'cause it's the trendy thing to do. Contrary to what was stated in another thread, it's not only the overall punches in the fight that get counted. They're also counted round-by-round. And according to CompuBox, Pacquiao landed more punches than Bradley in 10 out of the 12 rounds. And to those who just don't believe in the concept, feel free to come up with another objective tool with which to judge a boxing match.

2. Tim Bradley himself was not sure he won the fight. He said he had to look at the tape. In all the years I've been watching boxing, I had never seen a fighter admit to something like that. This is likely the biggest proof of all.

3. ESPN's SportsCenter, who normally cares as much about boxing decisions as it does about chess match results, and has rarely questioned a high-profile fight decision openly..... said on the air that the "American Idol" judges would make better boxing judges than the ones who judged the fight.

4. Roger Mayweather, who admittedly feels that the possibility of a mega-fight between Floyd and Pac may have diminished with the result, but still very much dislikes and discredits Pacquiao.... said there was no way Bradley won the fight.


Not to mention the avalanche of boxing fans, trainers, boxing experts, etc. who all thought that Pac was robbed. All the major entities, such as the Associated Press, had Pacquiao winning comfortably. Yahoo Sports boxing experts were unanimous in their opinion. Sports Illustrated boxing analysts thought Pacquiao won comfortably. Beyond that, you just have to look at the results of the poll on this forum, in addition to the scores collected by "fightscorecollector"..... and it should start sinking in that there was no way in bloody hell that Bradley even came close to winning that fight.

The standard response: "Rewatch it without the audio" has already been done by more than a few, and the response is still the same. There is no "audio bias" excuse here.

[Julius Rain]

Only the same people who discredit and dislike Pac thought Bradley won. The hate for pac is just as bad as the love for him, same thing goes for floyd. I guess when you get that good, that happens.

[Julius Rain]

Oh btw, even Marquez said manny won alteast 4 rounds.

[chris6878]

Stop and think.

2. Tim Bradley himself was not sure he won the fight. He said he had to look at the tape. In all the years I've been watching boxing, I had never seen a fighter admit to something like that. This is likely the biggest proof of all.

"Can you believe that? Unbelievable," Arum said. "I went over to Bradley before the decision and he said, 'I tried hard but I couldn't beat the guy.'"


bibliography:
Tim Bradley defeats Manny Pacquiao on controversial split decision | NJ.com




When the winning boxer knows he lost we have a problem.

[TitoFan]

I forgot one other, very important and unprecedented reaction:


5. Paddy Power, the Irish betting site, refunded the money to all those who bet on Pacquiao... as someone else had already reported on the forum.


And if I were to keep searching, I'm sure I'd come up with a few other doozies.

[Fenster]

I forgot one other, very important and unprecedented reaction:


5. Paddy Power, the Irish betting site, refunded the money to all those who bet on Pacquiao... as someone else had already reported on the forum.


And if I were to keep searching, I'm sure I'd come up with a few other doozies.

This is not as big a deal as it seems. It's basically a PR exercise. Their liabilites would have been very small on an event like this (still.. great stuff for people that gambled with them).

[TitoFan]

I forgot one other, very important and unprecedented reaction:


5. Paddy Power, the Irish betting site, refunded the money to all those who bet on Pacquiao... as someone else had already reported on the forum.


And if I were to keep searching, I'm sure I'd come up with a few other doozies.

This is not as big a deal as it seems. It's basically a PR exercise. Their liabilites would have been very small on an event like this (still.. great stuff for people that gambled with them).

You're right. It's excellent PR for the site. But just the fact that this is an unprecedented move is, to me, an indication that they're aware of the massive reaction against the decision, which in itself is an indication of just how bad the decision really was.

[ross]

Fuck off!

As if a boxer would say that!

Pacquaio hardly looked amazed when the decision was read out!

As for Marquez saying Manny wan 4 rounds.... There are 12!

The only people really upset with this decision are Arum, the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos team. They can now knock down the revenue for a Mayweather v Pacquiao fight down by at least 50%. even the die hard idiots in here with the tissues out do not beleive that on his best day Manny could beat Floyd and they wouldnt want to witness his slaughter

[chris6878]

Fuck off!

As if a boxer would say that!

Pacquaio hardly looked amazed when the decision was read out!

As for Marquez saying Manny wan 4 rounds.... There are 12!

The only people really upset with this decision are Arum, the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos team. They can now knock down the revenue for a Mayweather v Pacquiao fight down by at least 50%. even the die hard idiots in here with the tissues out do not beleive that on his best day Manny could beat Floyd and they wouldnt want to witness his slaughter

"Ill have to go back and watch the tape and see if I won."

How many victorious boxers said that

[ross]

Hes being polite.

Manny hardly did the Hopkins act either

Many cant take drugs any more and has no skills, he falls over his own feet!

Watching the last round reminded me of Calzaghe v Lacy. Pacquiao just looks slow and clumsy against an actual live opponent.

[TitoFan]

Fuck off!

As if a boxer would say that!

Pacquaio hardly looked amazed when the decision was read out!

As for Marquez saying Manny wan 4 rounds.... There are 12!

The only people really upset with this decision are Arum, the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos team. They can now knock down the revenue for a Mayweather v Pacquiao fight down by at least 50%. even the die hard idiots in here with the tissues out do not beleive that on his best day Manny could beat Floyd and they wouldnt want to witness his slaughter

Whether or not Pacquiao would ever beat Floyd has nothing to do with the fact that this was still a bullshit decision.

[arcanum26]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

[Manos de Piedra]

Very unfair decision, Pac should have won a UD.

[ross]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

[arcanum26]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

Thing is, Compubox scores for this fight was tremendously in favor of Pac. If it was closer then you can make a case how Compubox is totally erroneous but when you have qualified individuals (I'm assuming you'd need some qualifications to be able to score punches for Compubox) seeing one fighter out landing his opponent by an almost 2 to 1 margin, then it's quite possible that my assessment and most everyone else's are right in that Manny did out point Tim.

Also, I tend to respect media/press row scores as I'm aware that they've been fans of the sport far longer than myself and most everyone else. Otherwise, why would they be there in the first place?