Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size

[brocktonblockbust]

BOTH Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, ...... come on, if these guys were even 6 foot 3 like Ali or Holmes, and had say a 79 or 80 inch reach only (rather than their , what, 85 inch reaches?) they wouldn't have been around even half as long as they were.

I am really starting to think that size is all that matters (90% anyway) in the heavyweight division as their is no ceiling there, no higher division they must not weigh into.

Lennox Lewis and the K brothers could block punches from a mile away just by extending their gargantuan arms forward and back peddling at the same time.

Like wise they could land overhand rights from halfway across the ring by throwing the punch and coming forward---the opponent even taking 4 steps backwards would still be on the end of the punch. Look at the punch Lennox Lewis landed on Vitali which cut his eye. He threw it from Mid-Ring and even with Vitali pulling back 3 steps in reverse the punch arched over the ring and came down about 15 feet later like a rainbow zooming in from outer space. If Lewis or Klitschkos had a standard reach of 78 inches or so, half of their punches would not have reached their target.

And as for height---goddamit, lets see most normal-sized fighters try to reach their fucking chins at 6 feet 5 and above.

These fighters would not have been shit were it not for their unusual size. Don't give me examples now of huge fighters who sucked. That will not disprove my points.

[AdamGB]

What's to say that these guys would fight the same way if they were smaller?

Big guys develop and adapt to suit their build, just like any other boxer.

[ninjaspy3]

I can already imagine some will argue against this thread from the start but I for one agree with the principle here.

In other weight divisions there is a tighter leash kept on the size differences between the fighters but with the heavy weights its different.

These days the small heavyweights are at a big disadvantage. Too big for cruiser weight but too small to hang with the big guys.

Mike Tyson was an exceptional small heavy weight but despite that even he had trouble when some if the bigger guys would tie him up or lean on him.

Its a tough situation.

[outspoken]

Great now Titogirl and the other baboon will come in here and discredit every mexican fighter who ever went up 2 pounds or above their weight on fight night

[El Kabong]

Valuev


Say what you will but the Klitschkos and Lewis were athletic and powerful

[ryanman]

Lennox Lewis was 'only' 6' 4 3/4" tall and is thought of as being a giant heavy. Yet David Haye, a 'small' heavy, is 6'3". Not much different. In fact, Lennox Lewis is closer in height to Haye then he is to either Klitschko. Lewis' height didn't make him what he was. His reach is more valid, but still, he had a dominant and at times destructive jab that plenty of people with that reach don't have.
Also, you say that half the punches he threw would have missed if he had an average reach, but as Adam alluded to above he wouldn't have been throwing shots like he had an 85 inch reach if it was only 79inch. He would have adapted.

[Vendettos]

BOTH Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, ...... come on, if these guys were even 6 foot 3 like Ali or Holmes, and had say a 79 or 80 inch reach only (rather than their , what, 85 inch reaches?) they wouldn't have been around even half as long as they were.

I am really starting to think that size is all that matters (90% anyway) in the heavyweight division as their is no ceiling there, no higher division they must not weigh into.

Lennox Lewis and the K brothers could block punches from a mile away just by extending their gargantuan arms forward and back peddling at the same time.

Like wise they could land overhand rights from halfway across the ring by throwing the punch and coming forward---the opponent even taking 4 steps backwards would still be on the end of the punch. Look at the punch Lennox Lewis landed on Vitali which cut his eye. He threw it from Mid-Ring and even with Vitali pulling back 3 steps in reverse the punch arched over the ring and came down about 15 feet later like a rainbow zooming in from outer space. If Lewis or Klitschkos had a standard reach of 78 inches or so, half of their punches would not have reached their target.

And as for height---goddamit, lets see most normal-sized fighters try to reach their fucking chins at 6 feet 5 and above.

These fighters would not have been shit were it not for their unusual size. Don't give me examples now of huge fighters who sucked. That will not disprove my points.

Ill try to disprove you.



They were all stopped multiple times during their careers.
Mike Tyson was small.
Joe Fraizer

Wlad has destroyed massive fighters, yet couldn't stop Haye.
Haye owned Valuev.

Vitali has owned massive guys, couldn't stop Chisora.

Theres a mix of things.

Oliver McCall practiced like hell in training to land the right hand that KOd Lewis.

It's all about tactics.

[Violent Demise]

BOTH Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, ...... come on, if these guys were even 6 foot 3 like Ali or Holmes, and had say a 79 or 80 inch reach only (rather than their , what, 85 inch reaches?) they wouldn't have been around even half as long as they were.

I am really starting to think that size is all that matters (90% anyway) in the heavyweight division as their is no ceiling there, no higher division they must not weigh into.

Lennox Lewis and the K brothers could block punches from a mile away just by extending their gargantuan arms forward and back peddling at the same time.

Like wise they could land overhand rights from halfway across the ring by throwing the punch and coming forward---the opponent even taking 4 steps backwards would still be on the end of the punch. Look at the punch Lennox Lewis landed on Vitali which cut his eye. He threw it from Mid-Ring and even with Vitali pulling back 3 steps in reverse the punch arched over the ring and came down about 15 feet later like a rainbow zooming in from outer space. If Lewis or Klitschkos had a standard reach of 78 inches or so, half of their punches would not have reached their target.

And as for height---goddamit, lets see most normal-sized fighters try to reach their fucking chins at 6 feet 5 and above.

These fighters would not have been shit were it not for their unusual size. Don't give me examples now of huge fighters who sucked. That will not disprove my points.

Ill try to disprove you.



They were all stopped multiple times during their careers.
Mike Tyson was small.
Joe Fraizer

Wlad has destroyed massive fighters, yet couldn't stop Haye.
Haye owned Valuev.

Vitali has owned massive guys, couldn't stop Chisora.

Theres a mix of things.

Oliver McCall practiced like hell in training to land the right hand that KOd Lewis.

It's all about tactics.

He barely edged him on points

[Pavlik]

1. Tony Margarito as a welterweight
2. Brandon Rios as a lightweight and junior welterweight
3. Adrian Broner as a superfeather and lightweight
4. Saul Alvarez as a junior middleweight

[AdamGB]

Forget the differences in weight divisions too...

Doesn't mean much come fight night, when one fighter has rehydrated 4lb and the other fighter has rehydrated 14lb or more...

You've got middles fighting down at Welter and light Heavyweights fighting at middleweight, at least the heavyweight division is honest about it.

[p4pking]

Adam is dead on in both of his posts. Saying Lewis wouldn't have been dominant without his size is just as stupid as saying the same of Ivan Calderon for the most part.

The point about divisions is a crucial one to. Guys who are huge for a weight or have a size advantage on fight night anywhere below HW, do so because they are able to shed water and rehydrate more than their opponent. Everyone is different in that sense, and obviously many guys put themselves in terrible shape doing the same thing that works tremendously for others.

To me there isn't a lot which can be done about this as far as changing the weigh in times etc. Being able to cut weight while retaining power and the ilk is down to a science just like any other aspect of elite training. If some guys are better at it then that is a natural advantage just as being faster or stronger than someone is, at least the way I see it.

[iwng100]

1. Tony Margarito as a welterweight
2. Brandon Rios as a lightweight and junior welterweight
3. Adrian Broner as a superfeather and lightweight
4. Saul Alvarez as a junior middleweight

I agree.
You can add on the list :
5. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. as a Middleweight
6. Nonito Donaire as a flyweight and bantamweight

[Beanz]

BOTH Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, ...... come on, if these guys were even 6 foot 3 like Ali or Holmes, and had say a 79 or 80 inch reach only (rather than their , what, 85 inch reaches?) they wouldn't have been around even half as long as they were.

I am really starting to think that size is all that matters (90% anyway) in the heavyweight division as their is no ceiling there, no higher division they must not weigh into.

Lennox Lewis and the K brothers could block punches from a mile away just by extending their gargantuan arms forward and back peddling at the same time.

Like wise they could land overhand rights from halfway across the ring by throwing the punch and coming forward---the opponent even taking 4 steps backwards would still be on the end of the punch. Look at the punch Lennox Lewis landed on Vitali which cut his eye. He threw it from Mid-Ring and even with Vitali pulling back 3 steps in reverse the punch arched over the ring and came down about 15 feet later like a rainbow zooming in from outer space. If Lewis or Klitschkos had a standard reach of 78 inches or so, half of their punches would not have reached their target.

And as for height---goddamit, lets see most normal-sized fighters try to reach their fucking chins at 6 feet 5 and above.

These fighters would not have been shit were it not for their unusual size. Don't give me examples now of huge fighters who sucked. That will not disprove my points.

You are just trying to make the facts fit criteria that prove your argument. Holmes had an 81 inch reach and Lewis an 84 inch reach, Not 80 and 85 respectively. So you are adding an Inch to Lewis and taking one from Holmes. Then later in your argument you state that Lewis and the Klitschkos would need a standard reach of 78 inch to not be considered shit. Meanwhile Ali at 80 inches and Homes at 81 have their reaches shrunk by two or three inches to again, fit your argument. What about Vitali he has a 79 inch reach, that is shorter than Ali or Holmes ? What about the fact that Lewis fought many guys who were around his size or bigger and managed to beat them all. They can't all have been shit. Vitali has much closer to a standard reach than your examples with 79 inches and so your assertion that half his punches would not have reached his target if he did not have such a freaky reach is incorrect.

As for normal sized fighters ? what the hell is that? Granted at 6 foot 7 Vitali is very tall but Lewis at 6ft 5 was shorter than some of the fighters he fought and only a couple inches taller than most. Nearly all heavyweights are over 6 foot tall and even a small one like Haye is 6ft 3. The same Haye who despite having the mythical average 78 inch reach managed to hit Wlad flush and go many more rounds than most of Wlads bigger opponents. Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.

[brocktonblockbust]

Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.

bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.

p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.

Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.

[Beanz]

Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.

bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.

p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.

Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.

Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey.