If Eddie Futch trained Tyson.

[VG_Addict]

What if, instead of Cus, Tyson was trained by Eddie Futch?

Or, let's say that Futch trained Tyson after he got out of prison.

In either of these scenarios, what would have changed?

[Beanflicker]

Guys need to learn how to fight to their natural physical gifts, and I think it's safe to say that Cus' peekaboo style was absolutely PERFECT for Tyson, and vice versa. Cus formed Tyson from such a very young age mentally and physically, so it's impossible to tell what would have become of Tyson if it wasn't for Cus. In Tyson, Cus created the perfect fighting machine so it's really hard to imagine how Futch or anyone else could have done any better with him.

Maybe Futch could have been more help to him when he got out of prison. Futch did a great job of keeping Bowe in line for awhile before Riddick stopped listening to him. Would Tyson have bought in and stayed in line with Futch at the helm, or was he just too far gone at the time? Who knows. Tyson could have had any trainer he wanted in the game, so for him not to seek out a guy like Futch, to me that says Tyson wasn't going to be receptive to a hard ass who demanded accountability from him.

[VG_Addict]

Guys need to learn how to fight to their natural physical gifts, and I think it's safe to say that Cus' peekaboo style was absolutely PERFECT for Tyson, and vice versa. Cus formed Tyson from such a very young age mentally and physically, so it's impossible to tell what would have become of Tyson if it wasn't for Cus. In Tyson, Cus created the perfect fighting machine so it's really hard to imagine how Futch or anyone else could have done any better with him.

Maybe Futch could have been more help to him when he got out of prison. Futch did a great job of keeping Bowe in line for awhile before Riddick stopped listening to him. Would Tyson have bought in and stayed in line with Futch at the helm, or was he just too far gone at the time? Who knows. Tyson could have had any trainer he wanted in the game, so for him not to seek out a guy like Futch, to me that says Tyson wasn't going to be receptive to a hard ass who demanded accountability from him.

Futch was great at getting his fighters to work the body. Look at McCallum and Frazier. Bowe was a good body puncher too.

[Beanflicker]

Futch was great at getting his fighters to work the body. Look at McCallum and Frazier. Bowe was a good body puncher too.

Tyson worked the body better and harder than just about any HW I can think of, and was a lot more defensively responsible in doing so than guys like Frazier and Bowe.

[VG_Addict]

Futch was great at getting his fighters to work the body. Look at McCallum and Frazier. Bowe was a good body puncher too.

Tyson worked the body better and harder than just about any HW I can think of, and was a lot more defensively responsible in doing so than guys like Frazier and Bowe.

I'm talking about post-prison Tyson.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah but again like I said, was Tyson willing to listen to Futch?

Bowe listened to Futch for awhile, and then Futch lost his handle on him.

I think Tyson was too wild at the time and wasn't going to benefit from Futch.

I think Futch would have said "Fuck this" and left.

[VG_Addict]

Yeah but again like I said, was Tyson willing to listen to Futch?

Bowe listened to Futch for awhile, and then Futch lost his handle on him.

I think Tyson was too wild at the time and wasn't going to benefit from Futch.

I think Futch would have said "Fuck this" and left.

TBH, Tyson was kind of a mess after Cus died. I mean mentally and emotionally.

[El Kabong]

I think D'Mato made Tyson a dynamic fighter and the speed and explosive power he had made him very special.

Eddie Futch would have slowed Tyson down a bit, have him be more of a Joe Frazier kind of pressure fighter and while he'd still KO guys because of the handspeed and the power, he'd eat more punches doing it and he'd be a little more stiff moving in.

[VG_Addict]

I think D'Mato made Tyson a dynamic fighter and the speed and explosive power he had made him very special.

Eddie Futch would have slowed Tyson down a bit, have him be more of a Joe Frazier kind of pressure fighter and while he'd still KO guys because of the handspeed and the power, he'd eat more punches doing it and he'd be a little more stiff moving in.

According to Tyson's book "Undisputed", Cus wanted him to be an aggressive counter-puncher.

[SugarBoxing]

What if, instead of Cus, Tyson was trained by Eddie Futch?

Or, let's say that Futch trained Tyson after he got out of prison.

In either of these scenarios, what would have changed?

I think Futch would force him into light HW first. Because it is logical. People cannot really appreciate the genius of D'Amato, who saw a HW in 13 years old Tyson