Kell's competition 2004-early 2008?

[Ron Swanson]

What was the thinking behind his management? He has 6 opponents with more losses than all of Spence's opponents combined. And a couple more that had close to as many losses. Why was he in so awfully soft for so long?

[Master]

Hearn and sky probably building and padding his record. Cunts the lot of them.

This exposes Kell but for the fact he beat Porter in the USA.

[Alpha]

A little padding of the record.

[Primo Carnera]

What was the thinking behind his management? He has 6 opponents with more losses than all of Spence's opponents combined. And a couple more that had close to as many losses. Why was he in so awfully soft for so long?

There is no doubt that his record is padded to the max, but I'm not sure of the significance of going back to when he was 17-21 years old. It has very little bearing on what is happening now.
We will only find out on the night whether it was the right way to go.

[Alpha]

What was the thinking behind his management? He has 6 opponents with more losses than all of Spence's opponents combined. And a couple more that had close to as many losses. Why was he in so awfully soft for so long?

There is no doubt that his record is padded to the max, but I'm not sure of the significance of going back to when he was 17-21 years old. It has very little bearing on what is happening now.
We will only find out on the night whether it was the right way to go.

The Porter fight showed Brook is a contender.

[mikeeod]

What was the thinking behind his management? He has 6 opponents with more losses than all of Spence's opponents combined. And a couple more that had close to as many losses. Why was he in so awfully soft for so long?

There is no doubt that his record is padded to the max, but I'm not sure of the significance of going back to when he was 17-21 years old. It has very little bearing on what is happening now.
We will only find out on the night whether it was the right way to go.

The Porter fight showed Brook is a contender.

The GGG fight showed he has brass balls and the desire to fight the best/be great.

[Ron Swanson]

You folks got a little off topic. I'm not judging Brooke harshly or in any way suggesting it has any effect on what happens now.

The question was very straight forward, about his management. I don't understand it. To my knowledge(not much on this other than what I have heard which could easily be wrong) Kell had an extensive amateur resume. Certainly enough to not be facing guys with 80, 90, 100 losses 2/3 years into his pro career and guys with losing records into his 4th pro year.

I think my way of thinking is a bit misunderstood. When I think someone is good I have higher expectations of them. I think this might look like hating online. But if you only see the words that are there.....

[Ron Swanson]

But since the subject was broached of Brook/Spence. I watched 4 fights of each today and I think if Kell doesn't hurt Spence in the 1st 2 rounds he gets run over. I'm hoping for a great fight, I think each is the worst matchup for the other in the division.

[mikeeod]

You folks got a little off topic. I'm not judging Brooke harshly or in any way suggesting it has any effect on what happens now.

The question was very straight forward, about his management. I don't understand it. To my knowledge(not much on this other than what I have heard which could easily be wrong) Kell had an extensive amateur resume. Certainly enough to not be facing guys with 80, 90, 100 losses 2/3 years into his pro career and guys with losing records into his 4th pro year.

I think my way of thinking is a bit misunderstood. When I think someone is good I have higher expectations of them. I think this might look like hating online. But if you only see the words that are there.....

There is a proven model/philosophy of bringing fighters, even fighters with extensive amateur careers, along very slowly to transition effectively and make them a well rounded pro. Look at Roy, who was one of the greatest amateurs the US has had. His father brought him along very slowly, to the point that boxing writers and pundits were constantly pointing it out and complaining. Roy Sr. would tell them that it was his job to build his son into a champ who would last a long time, not rush Roy and make all of his money in the first few years.

Some great amateurs, like Oscar, Ray Leonard, and Loma, are able to transition quickly and take on tough competition relatively early in their careers. Others are rushed to make money and quickly find out their amateur experience didn't translate to the pros and their confidence is shattered.

[p4pking]

Yea I wondered that too because he always looked really good and wasn't some kid and all. He didn't really fight anyone good until Carson Jones, but then again that first fight was really tough for him, maybe he is/was just kind of a late bloomer and his handlers knew it or something. Even after the Porter win he went back to some soft touches and did nothing to prepare him for the GGG fight, weird career trajectory. I think Spence beats him but the fact he's taken that fight back at welter with no warm up of any sort should clearly dispel any idea that he's the problem.

[Ron Swanson]

Yea I wondered that too because he always looked really good and wasn't some kid and all. He didn't really fight anyone good until Carson Jones, but then again that first fight was really tough for him, maybe he is/was just kind of a late bloomer and his handlers knew it or something. Even after the Porter win he went back to some soft touches and did nothing to prepare him for the GGG fight, weird career trajectory. I think Spence beats him but the fact he's taken that fight back at welter with no warm up of any sort should clearly dispel any idea that he's the problem.

That's my point. Not knocking Kell. He's made it clear he will fight anyone. Just seems like he is/was a better fighter than they treated him as.