Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[JT Rock]

No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol

I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.

How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be

He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.

Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.

Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.

Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff

I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.

Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.

Its the intent Ortiz had. Tried to illegally gain an advantage to win, Mayweather did the same but stretched it legally yet he is getting scourged unbelievable here. You cant punish somemone who didnt break the rules.

And Ortiz was appropriately punished, I don't dispute that.

Mayweather didn't break the rules, but he broke convention. Stuff like what Ortiz was doing happens all the time after a foul, blatant or no, and it's convention for the other fighters to either accept the apology or to refuse but allow his opponent to put his guard back up.

I agree it was not something we are accustomed too, it was less than Manly to win that way. Floyd did it to Gatti and Mosely too so he is consistent. Seems like he is ruthless and acutely aware of every angle and takes every oppurtunity ala Hopkins

[LukeH]

No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol

I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.

How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be

He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.

Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.

Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.

Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff

I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.

Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.

Its the intent Ortiz had. Tried to illegally gain an advantage to win, Mayweather did the same but stretched it legally yet he is getting scourged unbelievable here. You cant punish somemone who didnt break the rules.

And Ortiz was appropriately punished, I don't dispute that.

Mayweather didn't break the rules, but he broke convention. Stuff like what Ortiz was doing happens all the time after a foul, blatant or no, and it's convention for the other fighters to either accept the apology or to refuse but allow his opponent to put his guard back up.

This is analogy maybe you wont get, but it's to do with soccer.
There is a foul near the penalty area and Thierry Henry (French Player playing for Arsenal) asks the ref if he can take it early. The defending team dont react quick enough and he scores. To me this is the same thing. How long should Mayweather wait for Ortiz to decide to put his hands up if the ref has said/or at least Mayweather has noticed he said continue?

[Truth]

JT when has Hopkins hit an opponent who albeit of his own volition is completely defenseless. Bending the rules is one thing, bitching out is another.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

JT when has Hopkins hit an opponent who albeit of his own volition is completely defenseless. Bending the rules is one thing, bitching out is another.

Well he did fake a low blow that one time

Plus I don't see how faking pain is less 'bitchy' than punching a guy really hard in the face

[JT Rock]

JT when has Hopkins hit an opponent who albeit of his own volition is completely defenseless. Bending the rules is one thing, bitching out is another.

then you missed Ortiz hitting Floyd 2X while he was defenseless after butting him, the more I replay and settle I realize it is not as bad as I originally felt. Im not endorsing/condoning but more or less think Ortiz was getting swallowed up in the enormity of it all

[Latim]

This is boxing. He hugged Mayweather, then touched gloves. He then tried to hug him AGAIN. What's wrong with this guy. Sure it's unsportsmanlike to do but this is a violent sport. When someone is hugging and touching that often in a fight it means they want out. This sport is very brutal and if you do something stupid like that you can't blame anyone but yourself.

[Dizaster]

This is boxing. He hugged Mayweather, then touched gloves. He then tried to hug him AGAIN. What's wrong with this guy. Sure it's unsportsmanlike to do but this is a violent sport. When someone is hugging and touching that often in a fight it means they want out. This sport is very brutal and if you do something stupid like that you can't blame anyone but yourself.

As Ortiz himself said after the fight.. Doesn't blame no one but himself...

Don't think anyone on here at all will deny ultimately it lied it Ortiz's hands to look after himself...

But i've seen 100's of fights where fighters have overtly apologized for an illegal blow or some sort, and pretty much all of those fights would have ended much differently if their opponent took that opportunity to sucker punch them while they are in the midst of trying to show good sportsmanship...

Floyd would have won anyway yes, Cortez couldn't have done anything about it, yes, Ortiz should have been defending himself and not apologized at all... Ortiz LOST himself the fight... Floyd took it in an unnecessary manner....

Most people hate what Floyd did.. Some are defending though, but I bet even they would have preferred to see him just go on and win in his usual fashion of continually dominating them with speed, skill, timing, and everything else that makes Floyd undefeated.... Even if Floyd just settled for the first tap to say "hey f*cker, you've apologized, you've kissed me and hugged me, now here is how it's going,,, let's get back to the f'n fight".... I would have prefered that personally...

But defend that behavior all you like, just when it becomes so common place in boxing that people no longer apologize or show sportsmanship for something ill done in the ring, then we'll have you guys to thank..

[ruthless rocco]

why should mayweather give ortiz any respct after he deliberately cheated. the ref said fight, ortiz wanted to hug some more, mayweather said i'll fucking show you what fightings all about and dropped him. fuck ortiz. little baby.

and i hate mayweather...but i may be fan now.

[Master]

Why do these boxers have to hug and touch gloves all the time, it is sickening and they should do all that after the fight not during. Hopefully this puts an end to this nonsense.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard

It's what I said last night. All of this.

And PLEASE some of you guys don't make any sense...we agree Ortiz was a muppet and after Cortez said let's go - Ortiz goes to give him a man hug BUT he's looking at Cortez? Seriously?

Merchant always get's on Floyds case, most of the time I've found it funny but at the same time he can't be surprised if Floyd takes he bait.

[JT Rock]

The whole evening was really bizarre, lampley kept crediting punches from the wrong fighter and was corrected by the other guys on numerous occasions. Also seemed like they were overrating what Ortiz was doing, I thought Hatton, DLH put more leather on PBF and Shane almost knocked him down.. To weird of a night for me

[Youngblood]

Hand down man down. Momma there goes that man.

[Spicoli]

It was refreshing watching an "HBO fight" without an HBO announce team for once, but that fella with McCullough (who pats his own back far to often) made my ears bleed.

Seriously hung over, someone tell the wind to stop blowing

[Rantcatrat]

My thoughts:

1. Floyd's punches were 100% legal
2. Ortiz is a complete moron for not protecting himself.
3. That was a crappy ending.
4. Someone of Mayweather's caliber --p4p best in the sport, 7-1 favorite in the fight, leading on the cards at that point in time -- does not need to end a fight that way.
5. Pre-scripted? Ortiz takes Berto's punches and gets up and Berto is a harder puncher than Floyd. After the KO, Ortiz is very friendly with Floyd as was Floyd with Ortiz.
6. This will make a Pacquiao fight even less likely.

[TitoFan]

I've made it pretty well known here that I don't like Floyd Mayweather. Don't like his attitude in and out of the ring... personally thinks he's done his share of ducking, while taking care of his precious "0"... and has been in some downright BORING fights.

But here's where I distance myself from being just a Floyd-hater. Last night was nobody's fault but Victor "WTF Were You Thinking" Ortiz himself.

First, he launches himself like a missile at Floyd's chin. Probably the most obvious headbutt I've ever seen. THEN... not content with kissing and hugging Floyd the first time... he goes to do it a SECOND time. AFTER Joe Cortes had given the "go-ahead" to continue fighting. Floyd, obviously still pissed about the headbutt, connects with a good left hook.... but not quite a knockout punch. So Victor "Rocket Scientist" Ortiz, with HIS HANDS STILL DOWN, looks over at Cortes as if to whine: "Floyd hit me." So Mayweather does the only thing he CAN do. He hits him with a right and knocks him out.

Conclusions:
1. Victor came off like the village idiot. Hey kid.... save the "I love you man" shit for Bud Light commercials. You're in a boxing match, not "Blind Date".

2. Why all the hate for Cortes (as usual)? He promptly took a well-deserved point off Ortiz... then motioned them to continue fighting. How was HE to know Ortiz still wanted some "kissie-poo" from Floyd? Cortes was just as taken by surprise as the rest of us.

3. Did Floyd deprive us fans from a good fight? Sure. But it was hardly his fault. He's a fighter and he's being paid to try to win. He saw an opening... he took it. It wasn't the most sportsman-like thing to do, but remember... he had just gotten the mother of all headbutts. No amount of smooching from Ortiz was going to fix his broken lip.


And while I'm at it.... what about the Merchant incident? What a riot !! That was almost as good as the fight itself. Again... I'm not applauding what Mayweather did. But it's painfully obvious the guy is carrying a giant chip on his shoulder when it comes to the press and their criticism of him. So when Merchant put him in a corner, Floyd lashed out. Was it right? Probably not. But it's probably not that difficult to go off at old Larry. He's (Larry) probably saying to himself, "Hell... I don't need this shit. I could be sitting in a bar somewhere downing scotch-and-sodas."

Finally, it's too bad the fight ended like this. But I put the blame squarely on Ortiz's very childish and immature shoulders.