Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[Violent Demise]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

Trust me. It ain't the ipad

[p4pking]

[CFH]

That is the most intimidating hipster I have ever seen .

[p4pking]

But. he must. really know. boxing right?

[Violent Demise]

Just like I thought he would look.

[erics44]

Point out the post where i mention objectivity

And explain my contradiction

If you're too lazy to look four or five posts up and too much of an idiot or pretender to not acknowledge or understand your contradiction, there's no helping you. But that's been obvious since you started posting on this site.

youre last ditch attempt to outwit me is to talk utter bollox

I like it, its desperate but a reasonable attempt

[AdamGB]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

[Violent Demise]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

[Leighton]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.

[Dia bando]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.

£10 Pound on Adam to win.

[redbaron]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

[erics44]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

[Dia bando]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

In this fight Hopkins, got the knock down he did land may be 4or 5 punches, and that's being kind
in round 10 he was fucked,Calzaghe was getting to him and did he not like it.
He get's a tap in the bollocks, and roll's around the floor like a twat that he is.
As all the record book's will tell Calzaghe, won the fight that's good enough for me no if or but's, you can talk till the cow's come home Calzaghe beat Hopkins

[AdamGB]

Poor

Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why? Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's...

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you.

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed.

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

[Spicoli]

Well, I guess it beats another tired used up Manny vs Mayweather thread

I thought Hopkins had it by a point but no beef with judges call really. I can see case for Joe winning. It wasn't a robbery it was a close fugly match to watch.

That said Joe should have lost a point for trying to boff Hopkins in the arse harder then any punch he threw.