Same sex marriage

[armin]

Back in the day nobody in their right mind would have ever imagined that gays would be parading in the cities, looking for support, having their own tv channels, their own magazines, etc. and now fighting for people to support their desire to get married. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation saw a 50 year old women/men parading the streets with thier 13 year old boyfriend/girlfriend all in the name of love asking the public to support them and be open minded and accepting of their relationship. Sure, we might say “That’s wrong and disgusting. No way that will happen”. That’s the same thing people thought about homosexuals/lesbians not so long ago.

Just because people thought one way in the past doesn't make it right....come on

[Fenster]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

[Kev]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

[Kev]

I guess the point I am making is that most people would openly deplore two siblings in love, even more so a father and daughter, or mother and son. And few would have time for a man with three wives. I'd imagine even large age gaps, say 20 years or more between a couple would attract open disaproval from many people.

In all of these cases, those condemning would not be judged as being bigoted or phobic against these lifestyles, it would just be accepted that such things were wrong and deserved scorn.

But with homosexuality it has been so massively campaigned for that people's attitudes have switched so strongly that those who say they don't like it are the ones classed as immoral.

It's an interesting paradigm shift.

[mrbig1]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

Agree 100% my friend.

[Beanz]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Are you for real?
You do realise that you are the weird one surely. You are in no position to lecture people on their private life. As for the stupid offensive nature of your argument it reveals a deep seated uncomfortableness with your own sexuality and is a clear demonstration of what you call cognitive dissonance in action.

[armin]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Not directed at me I know but I have no problem with polgamy, again doesn't affect me in least, if a dude wants to have ten women, or the reverse, and everyone involved is doing it out of their own free will, let them go for it I couldn't care less. As for siblings again doesn't concern me but that might lead to some biological problems and screw the offspring hence no.

[Dia bando]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Are you for real?
You do realise that you are the weird one surely. You are in no position to lecture people on their private life. As for the stupid offensive nature of your argument it reveals a deep seated uncomfortableness with your own sexuality and is a clear demonstration of what you call cognitive dissonance in action.

Bilbo banging Gandalf you have just put me off watching the new hobbit film Beanz, ever next
I could not watch all this in middle earth.

[Gandalf]

WTF, Bilbo banging Gandalf?

And I thought it was Bilbo that had all the peculiar thoughts.

[Dia bando]

WTF, Bilbo banging Gandalf?

And I thought it was Bilbo that had all the peculiar thoughts.

It's called a vivid imagination Miles.

[Kev]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Are you for real?
You do realise that you are the weird one surely. You are in no position to lecture people on their private life. As for the stupid offensive nature of your argument it reveals a deep seated uncomfortableness with your own sexuality and is a clear demonstration of what you call cognitive dissonance in action.

You are an odd man Beanz always talking about my sexuality and sticking your finger in my ass.

I have no problems with my sexuality whatsoever, if you read all my posts you would know that.

I just don't see as a man, how wanting to marry another man is any less deviant than wanting to marry your sister, or two women.

As I'm clearly way off her, maybe you can explain it to me?

Two men in love = good
Two siblings in love = disgusting
Man + Two women in love = disgusting

That seems to be what you are saying............but why?

[Kev]

I'm not condemning any of these things by the way. People can do what they want.

I just find it strange how one form of sexual deviancy (I dont saying that in a condemning way, but in it's literal form, a deviation from normal sexuality) is considered moral whilst others are still considered immoral?

[Fenster]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Are you for real?
You do realise that you are the weird one surely. You are in no position to lecture people on their private life. As for the stupid offensive nature of your argument it reveals a deep seated uncomfortableness with your own sexuality and is a clear demonstration of what you call cognitive dissonance in action.

This is a man that spends all day wanking to ladyboy porn.

Bilbo knows he's totally fucked in the head. His world views go from completely fair/rational to utterly insane/disgusting. It makes him a pretty entertaining character to be fair.

[Kev]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Are you for real?
You do realise that you are the weird one surely. You are in no position to lecture people on their private life. As for the stupid offensive nature of your argument it reveals a deep seated uncomfortableness with your own sexuality and is a clear demonstration of what you call cognitive dissonance in action.

This is a man that spends all day wanking to ladyboy porn.

Bilbo knows he's totally fucked in the head. His world views go from completely fair/rational to utterly insane/disgusting. It makes him a pretty entertaining character to be fair.

I have many times admitted I would like have sex with a ladyboy.

I am totally comfortable in my sexuality.

What is funny is that you and Beanz would judge me for this whereas you wouldnt judge others.

I find that strange and inconsistent. It's like saying homosexaulity is normal, groovy and fine. Except for when you do it. Then it becomes disgusting.

That is inconsistent.

And even if I fell for a ladyboy I wouldnt want the right to marry them in a church. I would got for a civil partnership and be happy with that.

[Fenster]

One of my sisters is a lesbian. She has a profession and is in a long term relationship. She is ordinary.

To be offended, or even concerned, with someones lifestyle that has no bearing on you in the slightest just makes you a complete and utter muggy cunt. Fact.

Out of interest do you think it's ok for siblings to have relations? Or parents and their offspring, assuming all were adults and consenting?

What about polygamists? I mean if a man wanted to marry three women and they were all happy with the arrangement would that be ok?

I don't see any difference between the above and homosexuality, with the exception that homoesexuality has been so vigourously campaigned for over the last 30 years that it's seemingly more wholesome than living a hetrosexual lifestyle.

Not trying to pick an argument it's just interesting to me as I think homosexuality is no more or less weird than those listed above.

Are you for real?
You do realise that you are the weird one surely. You are in no position to lecture people on their private life. As for the stupid offensive nature of your argument it reveals a deep seated uncomfortableness with your own sexuality and is a clear demonstration of what you call cognitive dissonance in action.

This is a man that spends all day wanking to ladyboy porn.

Bilbo knows he's totally fucked in the head. His world views go from completely fair/rational to utterly insane/disgusting. It makes him a pretty entertaining character to be fair.

I have many times admitted I would like have sex with a ladyboy.

I am totally comfortable in my sexuality.

What is funny is that you and Beanz would judge me for this whereas you wouldnt judge others.

I find that strange and inconsistent. It's like saying homosexaulity is normal, groovy and fine. Except for when you do it. Then it becomes disgusting.

That is inconsistent.

And even if I fell for a ladyboy I wouldnt want the right to marry them in a church. I would got for a civil partnership and be happy with that.

Yeah, yeah, whatever - you believe homosexuality is a choice instead of a natural attraction to the same sex. So it's pointless us even discussing it.