Same sex marriage

[killersheep]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

[Kev]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

[killersheep]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

[Kev]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

[killersheep]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

So by that reasoning, they could be married as long as it was part of their belief system correct?

[Kev]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

So by that reasoning, they could be married as long as it was part of their belief system correct?

I would regard people as being married if the country they were in legally recognised them as so. So you are married. Two atheists who have a secular wedding are married. A gay couple who have a civil partnership are married.

All should be seen as such and upheld by law.

But a Christian wedding is between a man and a woman and the church should absolutely not be forced or compelled to change their beliefs to cater for those outside of it.

It is as ridiculous to me as Christian members demanding a secular wedding with a blessing from God in it and trying to force secular humanists to offer religious weddings.

So I don't believe gay couples should be allowed to marry in a Christian church and have a Christian marriage as it is clearly invalid and violates the Christian concept of marriage.

[Andre]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

So by that reasoning, they could be married as long as it was part of their belief system correct?

I would regard people as being married if the country they were in legally recognised them as so. So you are married. Two atheists who have a secular wedding are married. A gay couple who have a civil partnership are married.

All should be seen as such and upheld by law.

But a Christian wedding is between a man and a woman and the church should absolutely not be forced or compelled to change their beliefs to cater for those outside of it.

It is as ridiculous to me as Christian members demanding a secular wedding with a blessing from God in it and trying to force secular humanists to offer religious weddings.

So I don't believe gay couples should be allowed to marry in a Christian church and have a Christian marriage as it is clearly invalid and violates the Christian concept of marriage.

Great post Bilbo, Its a very balanced view and very fair.

But as you know, I believe the Christian church was stolen from the Desposyni, so to the originators under Yeshuas original teachings, very little of his way home to God through love and freedom of truth, is left within it.

If it was, they would reserve their judgment.

[mrbig1]

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

Agree 100% my friend.