Julio Jr. vs. Andy Lee Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Rantcatrat]

Junior has developed into a good middleweight over the past two years. He has wins over Zbik, Lee and Rubio, pretty quality opposition. Ask yourself which middleweights you would favor over him right now. Pirog, Golovkin, Sturm maybe, Geale maybe, Quillin maybe.

His fight with Martinez will be a good fight. It's not game-set-match for Martinez, like it appeared to be a while ago. He's so much bigger than Martinez and he'll hit Martinez with the strongest punches Martinez will have been hit with, maybe ever. Lefkowitz already said that he planned on requesting a 20/20 ring and that the fight will be in Nevada where they test for drugs. I had no idea drug testing wasn't required in Texas. Is that really the case? Also, what is with the rumor about same-day weighing in that I heard the WBC is implementing from now on. That might make it impossible for Junior to fight for a WBC belt at 160, if he couldn't even provide a urine sample because he was so dehydrated.

Huh a good middleweight?? He's a freakin light-heavyweight and unless the Chavez family friend Jose backs off on implementing same day weigh ins as of June 30th, he will never fight at middle again. Oh I know they already have Martinez listed at boxrec and all kinds of people are claiming its done out of both camps but I'll wait for the bell.

Since he has fought only in Texas since failing a drug test in Nevada, it is suspect whether he can really make the middleweight limit safely. As long as he can make the weight legally and safely, he's a middleweight though.

[IamInuit]

Junior has developed into a good middleweight over the past two years. He has wins over Zbik, Lee and Rubio, pretty quality opposition. Ask yourself which middleweights you would favor over him right now. Pirog, Golovkin, Sturm maybe, Geale maybe, Quillin maybe.

His fight with Martinez will be a good fight. It's not game-set-match for Martinez, like it appeared to be a while ago. He's so much bigger than Martinez and he'll hit Martinez with the strongest punches Martinez will have been hit with, maybe ever. Lefkowitz already said that he planned on requesting a 20/20 ring and that the fight will be in Nevada where they test for drugs. I had no idea drug testing wasn't required in Texas. Is that really the case? Also, what is with the rumor about same-day weighing in that I heard the WBC is implementing from now on. That might make it impossible for Junior to fight for a WBC belt at 160, if he couldn't even provide a urine sample because he was so dehydrated.

Huh a good middleweight?? He's a freakin light-heavyweight and unless the Chavez family friend Jose backs off on implementing same day weigh ins as of June 30th, he will never fight at middle again. Oh I know they already have Martinez listed at boxrec and all kinds of people are claiming its done out of both camps but I'll wait for the bell.

Since he has fought only in Texas since failing a drug test in Nevada, it is suspect whether he can really make the middleweight limit safely. As long as he can make the weight legally and safely, he's a middleweight though.

True. It appears Jose is going to back track on his new rule of same day weigh ins. Big surprise.

[Rantcatrat]

Junior has developed into a good middleweight over the past two years. He has wins over Zbik, Lee and Rubio, pretty quality opposition. Ask yourself which middleweights you would favor over him right now. Pirog, Golovkin, Sturm maybe, Geale maybe, Quillin maybe.

His fight with Martinez will be a good fight. It's not game-set-match for Martinez, like it appeared to be a while ago. He's so much bigger than Martinez and he'll hit Martinez with the strongest punches Martinez will have been hit with, maybe ever. Lefkowitz already said that he planned on requesting a 20/20 ring and that the fight will be in Nevada where they test for drugs. I had no idea drug testing wasn't required in Texas. Is that really the case? Also, what is with the rumor about same-day weighing in that I heard the WBC is implementing from now on. That might make it impossible for Junior to fight for a WBC belt at 160, if he couldn't even provide a urine sample because he was so dehydrated.

Huh a good middleweight?? He's a freakin light-heavyweight and unless the Chavez family friend Jose backs off on implementing same day weigh ins as of June 30th, he will never fight at middle again. Oh I know they already have Martinez listed at boxrec and all kinds of people are claiming its done out of both camps but I'll wait for the bell.

Since he has fought only in Texas since failing a drug test in Nevada, it is suspect whether he can really make the middleweight limit safely. As long as he can make the weight legally and safely, he's a middleweight though.

True. It appears Jose is going to back track on his new rule of same day weigh ins. Big surprise.

Frankly, the fact that he hasn't fought in Nevada, where there is stricter drug testing procedures than Texas (doesn't say much), since failing a test, is at best, odd, at worst, highly suspicious. Then, even in Texas, for some reason or the other, he didn't take drug tests for this fight and his last fight against Rubio.

[IamInuit]

Junior has developed into a good middleweight over the past two years. He has wins over Zbik, Lee and Rubio, pretty quality opposition. Ask yourself which middleweights you would favor over him right now. Pirog, Golovkin, Sturm maybe, Geale maybe, Quillin maybe.

His fight with Martinez will be a good fight. It's not game-set-match for Martinez, like it appeared to be a while ago. He's so much bigger than Martinez and he'll hit Martinez with the strongest punches Martinez will have been hit with, maybe ever. Lefkowitz already said that he planned on requesting a 20/20 ring and that the fight will be in Nevada where they test for drugs. I had no idea drug testing wasn't required in Texas. Is that really the case? Also, what is with the rumor about same-day weighing in that I heard the WBC is implementing from now on. That might make it impossible for Junior to fight for a WBC belt at 160, if he couldn't even provide a urine sample because he was so dehydrated.

Huh a good middleweight?? He's a freakin light-heavyweight and unless the Chavez family friend Jose backs off on implementing same day weigh ins as of June 30th, he will never fight at middle again. Oh I know they already have Martinez listed at boxrec and all kinds of people are claiming its done out of both camps but I'll wait for the bell.

Since he has fought only in Texas since failing a drug test in Nevada, it is suspect whether he can really make the middleweight limit safely. As long as he can make the weight legally and safely, he's a middleweight though.

True. It appears Jose is going to back track on his new rule of same day weigh ins. Big surprise.

Frankly, the fact that he hasn't fought in Nevada, where there is stricter drug testing procedures than Texas (doesn't say much), since failing a test, is at best, odd, at worst, highly suspicious. Then, even in Texas, for some reason or the other, he didn't take drug tests for this fight and his last fight against Rubio.

Yeah apparently he could not manage a sample. And yeah that was the second time. The last time his managed a sample he tested positive for banned diuretics.

He gets a ring the size of a ten cent stamp.
He gets to pass on the pre fight urine test with the simple claim that he cant produce a sample.
He gets to bring his own gloves to a championship fight.
He gets to refuse said gloves to be weighed.
He gets his travelling ref Lawrence Cole.
He gets to weigh 185 pounds to defend his 160 title.

The glove thing alone makes my skin crawl.

[TitoFan]

Not only has Junior been coddled his entire career..... NOW he's also being protected by being able to wipe all the rules where the sun don't shine. His famous daddy is best friends with Mafioso Jose Sulaiman, and together they're bent on making Junior famous by feeding him bums and flagrantly violating all the rules. Rules..... I might add, that Sulaiman conveniently changes, disregards, and plays with to the benefit of his buddy's coddled son. He'll probably beat Martinez, also.... because he'll be WAY bigger than Martinez when they get into the ring, although according to the WBC he'll just be a middleweight. I think once and for all, they should just change the name of the organization from WBC, to MBC. After all..... those are the only interests being served by them.

[Master]

I saw the whole fight and I had Junior winning 4-2 up. It will be a quality fight between Segio and Junior cannot wait.

[IamInuit]

Not only has Junior been coddled his entire career..... NOW he's also being protected by being able to wipe all the rules where the sun don't shine. His famous daddy is best friends with Mafioso Jose Sulaiman, and together they're bent on making Junior famous by feeding him bums and flagrantly violating all the rules. Rules..... I might add, that Sulaiman conveniently changes, disregards, and plays with to the benefit of his buddy's coddled son. He'll probably beat Martinez, also.... because he'll be WAY bigger than Martinez when they get into the ring, although according to the WBC he'll just be a middleweight. I think once and for all, they should just change the name of the organization from WBC, to MBC. After all..... those are the only interests being served by them.

Lol Jose and Sr probably live on the same street and chow down on chorizo at family get togethers.

[Rantcatrat]

Not only has Junior been coddled his entire career..... NOW he's also being protected by being able to wipe all the rules where the sun don't shine. His famous daddy is best friends with Mafioso Jose Sulaiman, and together they're bent on making Junior famous by feeding him bums and flagrantly violating all the rules. Rules..... I might add, that Sulaiman conveniently changes, disregards, and plays with to the benefit of his buddy's coddled son. He'll probably beat Martinez, also.... because he'll be WAY bigger than Martinez when they get into the ring, although according to the WBC he'll just be a middleweight. I think once and for all, they should just change the name of the organization from WBC, to MBC. After all..... those are the only interests being served by them.

If he makes 160 legally, he is entitled to fight there. In recent times, Pavlik and Abraham were pretty big middleweight too.

In regard to his weight, I read a funny tweet on Friday after the weigh in, it was from an obese gentlemen, and it read something like "hey WBC, can I use that scale when I weigh myself too?"

I saw the whole fight and I had Junior winning 4-2 up. It will be a quality fight between Segio and Junior cannot wait.

The scores ranged from 4-2 Chavez to 4-2 Lee. I had it 4-2 Lee, but Lee looked vulnerable all night. Lee's a tall middleweight, but in terms of size, he was dwarfed by Chavez.

[TitoFan]

Not only has Junior been coddled his entire career..... NOW he's also being protected by being able to wipe all the rules where the sun don't shine. His famous daddy is best friends with Mafioso Jose Sulaiman, and together they're bent on making Junior famous by feeding him bums and flagrantly violating all the rules. Rules..... I might add, that Sulaiman conveniently changes, disregards, and plays with to the benefit of his buddy's coddled son. He'll probably beat Martinez, also.... because he'll be WAY bigger than Martinez when they get into the ring, although according to the WBC he'll just be a middleweight. I think once and for all, they should just change the name of the organization from WBC, to MBC. After all..... those are the only interests being served by them.

If he makes 160 legally, he is entitled to fight there. In recent times, Pavlik and Abraham were pretty big middleweight too.

In regard to his weight, I read a funny tweet on Friday after the weigh in, it was from an obese gentlemen, and it read something like "hey WBC, can I use that scale when I weigh myself too?"

I saw the whole fight and I had Junior winning 4-2 up. It will be a quality fight between Segio and Junior cannot wait.

The scores ranged from 4-2 Chavez to 4-2 Lee. I had it 4-2 Lee, but Lee looked vulnerable all night. Lee's a tall middleweight, but in terms of size, he was dwarfed by Chavez.

Pavlik and Abraham are pretty big heavyweights, yes. But they've finished growing into their bodies. Junior could still develop into a light heavy. If, as someone posted above, Sulaiman backtracks from his previous decision to implement same-day weigh-ins..... the rotten smell coming from the WBC Sulaiman-Chavez connection will only get worse. I can imagine Chavez Sr. chastizing Sulaiman for suggesting this rule in the first place.
"What the hell were you thinking, Jose? You trying to get my boy killed?"

Will all the other fishy stuff going on in Junior's fights (twice failing to produce a urine sample, refusal to allow gloves to be inspected, etc, etc, etc).... it won't be long before he starts turning off some fans, if he hasn't done so already.

[shza]

Question:

I know Jr. didn't provide a urine sample pre-fight. At the time, the HBO guys said that because he couldn't produce a pre-fight sample, the TX commission would be taking a sample immediately after the fight, which is apparently permitted under their rules.

I have seen a bunch of posts here about how Jr. didn't provide any sample, but haven't seen reported anywhere that he didn't provide the post-fight sample that HBO said he'd be providing. Can someone confirm (preferably with a link) that that didn't happen?

[armin]

Question:

I know Jr. didn't provide a urine sample pre-fight. At the time, the HBO guys said that because he couldn't produce a pre-fight sample, the TX commission would be taking a sample immediately after the fight, which is apparently permitted under their rules.

I have seen a bunch of posts here about how Jr. didn't provide any sample, but haven't seen reported anywhere that he didn't provide the post-fight sample that HBO said he'd be providing. Can someone confirm (preferably with a link) that that didn't happen?

Don't know if he didn't provide one for this fight, but he didn't get tested for the rubio fight at all you can google it should be mentioned in most any article, on phone so linking is a bitch.

[IamInuit]

Question:

I know Jr. didn't provide a urine sample pre-fight. At the time, the HBO guys said that because he couldn't produce a pre-fight sample, the TX commission would be taking a sample immediately after the fight, which is apparently permitted under their rules.

I have seen a bunch of posts here about how Jr. didn't provide any sample, but haven't seen reported anywhere that he didn't provide the post-fight sample that HBO said he'd be providing. Can someone confirm (preferably with a link) that that didn't happen?

Fat dan is reporting that he received a tweet from the Texas Commission that he did pre test.

I don't believe it and think it a form of damage control

[shza]

Question:

I know Jr. didn't provide a urine sample pre-fight. At the time, the HBO guys said that because he couldn't produce a pre-fight sample, the TX commission would be taking a sample immediately after the fight, which is apparently permitted under their rules.

I have seen a bunch of posts here about how Jr. didn't provide any sample, but haven't seen reported anywhere that he didn't provide the post-fight sample that HBO said he'd be providing. Can someone confirm (preferably with a link) that that didn't happen?

Don't know if he didn't provide one for this fight, but he didn't get tested for the rubio fight at all you can google it should be mentioned in most any article, on phone so linking is a bitch.

I'm well aware that he didn't provide any sample for the Rubio fight. And that he got busted for diuretics previously. My question was very narrow: can someone confirm that he really did not provide a post-fight sample for the Lee fight. Numerous comments here say he provided "no sample," but the only thing I've seen or heard is that he provided no pre-fight sample. Per HBO at the time, he was going to be required to provide a post-fight sample. If he did, and it came out clean, then at least that part of the "unfair advantage" comments ought to go. (The gloves bit is obviously still extremely problematic.)

[armin]

Yeah looks like espn is now sayin that a prefight drug test was submitted and hbo erroneously reported that he hadn't, still shady shit.

[IamInuit]

Ali is the greatest because of the opposition he faced and beat, far superior to Joe Louis.

Tried to let it go but I cant and mean no offense at all.

Personally I have Louis as the ATG at heavyweight. People default to Ali because it’s a moniker that has been carried and because he said he was as part of his schtick. In private even Ali thinks it is Louis and for good reason.

He held the championship for close to 12 years and during that time he made 25 title defenses with 21 of them not reaching the final bell and 17 of those 21 not making the count of ten. He also knocked out 6 former hev champs and all of this in an era with only one belt.

Ali could not even handle Nortons jab. Louis had one of the best and perhaps the fastest jab in history. Consider even the Doug Jones fight. He was a limited and smallish hev for the era and he frustrated Ali with some arguing with validity that he won the fight.

Ali had issues with technical savvy fighters also. Just watch the Jimmy Young fight. A fight I most certainly think he lost. Ali has become this mythical almost deity like figure.

Futch:

If you start from the center of the ring it will only take you three steps to get Ali on the ropes. Every time you jab, step in and jab again. Then do the same thing .Don’t do like all the other guys do. Don’t throw your left hook to the head, he’ll pull back against the ropes and pepper you with counter-punches, instead start banging his body with both hands. That is how Norton, whose jab, speed, and power was inferior to Joe Louis, gave Ali hell in three very close fights.