Thatchers Dead

[Gandalf]

When you have done no good in your life expect nothing less. Selling a nation on an absurd Friedman basis is less than virtuous.

Memphis, you have been clearly on Missy's case whence that sprawling mess of replies and with you making no decent arguments in response. It had to be pointed out. Clearly a parent.

Ok maybe you can pick up the mantel? The arguement was that our mines were shit because they werent subsidised. They were though werent they, several attempts in fact? Discuss. Also what investment was going to turn the ship around.

You're right, I am a parent, which means I can deal with these spats of pentulance with a dash of humour and nonchalance.

It would be quite easy to reel off some pro Thatcher rhetoric cut and shut from various sources wouldnt it? Im on neither side so I'll stick to asking my own questions which I think relevant. Whether someone answers them or not is up to them.

Mining was just one aspect. All the arguments have been inputted. You have simply failed to compute any of them and that is because you are ignorant.

Being a parent also means that you are a basic human being without the means to detach and avoid obvious mistakes in life. Most parents have this issue. You don't see many people like me with 5 children.

If I saw a train wreck I would never give birth on railway lines. That is Britain today. You are asking to be cut into pieces. All those people of the 80's, their penalty was what their children inherited. The same will be said 2 generations from now.

Maybe you could buy your children some tutors as you are a failure and your schools are dying. You deserve it, Maggies boy.

[Memphis]

When you have done no good in your life expect nothing less. Selling a nation on an absurd Friedman basis is less than virtuous.

Memphis, you have been clearly on Missy's case whence that sprawling mess of replies and with you making no decent arguments in response. It had to be pointed out. Clearly a parent.

Ok maybe you can pick up the mantel? The arguement was that our mines were shit because they werent subsidised. They were though werent they, several attempts in fact? Discuss. Also what investment was going to turn the ship around.

You're right, I am a parent, which means I can deal with these spats of pentulance with a dash of humour and nonchalance.

It would be quite easy to reel off some pro Thatcher rhetoric cut and shut from various sources wouldnt it? Im on neither side so I'll stick to asking my own questions which I think relevant. Whether someone answers them or not is up to them.

Mining was just one aspect. All the arguments have been inputted. You have simply failed to compute any of them and that is because you are ignorant.

Being a parent also means that you are a basic human being without the means to detach and avoid obvious mistakes in life. Most parents have this issue. You don't see many people like me with 5 children.

If I saw a train wreck I would never give birth on railway lines. That is Britain today. You are asking to be cut into pieces. All those people of the 80's, their penalty was what their children inherited. The same will be said 2 generations from now.

Maybe you could buy your children some tutors as you are a failure and your schools are dying. You deserve it, Maggies boy.

That would be a no right?

We know why you dont have kids. You're unable to take care of yourself and maintain a healthy relationship with one other human being let alone more. Its fine, I get it, you just choose to blame other factors. Stop trying to kill two birds with one stone, they move too quickly and you're a terrible shot.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

When you have done no good in your life expect nothing less. Selling a nation on an absurd Friedman basis is less than virtuous.

Memphis, you have been clearly on Missy's case whence that sprawling mess of replies and with you making no decent arguments in response. It had to be pointed out. Clearly a parent.

Ok maybe you can pick up the mantel? The arguement was that our mines were shit because they werent subsidised. They were though werent they, several attempts in fact? Discuss. Also what investment was going to turn the ship around.

You're right, I am a parent, which means I can deal with these spats of pentulance with a dash of humour and nonchalance.

It would be quite easy to reel off some pro Thatcher rhetoric cut and shut from various sources wouldnt it? Im on neither side so I'll stick to asking my own questions which I think relevant. Whether someone answers them or not is up to them.

we've answered them, you've ignored to respond to any political points that have been made, so there's no point in discussing it.

You're claiming that myself and others are merely repeating what we've seen elsewhere when that is clearly not the case, when like I stated those of who were around at the time, watched the news, read the papers, got involved in issues and yes actually studied politics which again you throw back at me as if I should be ashamed of it

[Memphis]

When you have done no good in your life expect nothing less. Selling a nation on an absurd Friedman basis is less than virtuous.

Memphis, you have been clearly on Missy's case whence that sprawling mess of replies and with you making no decent arguments in response. It had to be pointed out. Clearly a parent.

Ok maybe you can pick up the mantel? The arguement was that our mines were shit because they werent subsidised. They were though werent they, several attempts in fact? Discuss. Also what investment was going to turn the ship around.

You're right, I am a parent, which means I can deal with these spats of pentulance with a dash of humour and nonchalance.

It would be quite easy to reel off some pro Thatcher rhetoric cut and shut from various sources wouldnt it? Im on neither side so I'll stick to asking my own questions which I think relevant. Whether someone answers them or not is up to them.

we've answered them, you've ignored to respond to any political points that have been made, so there's no point in discussing it.

You're claiming that myself and others are merely repeating what we've seen elsewhere when that is clearly not the case, when like I stated those of who were around at the time, watched the news, read the papers, got involved in issues and yes actually studied politics which again you throw back at me as if I should be ashamed of it

drop the 'we' crap, and no you didnt.

[Kirkland Laing]

I haven't seen a day where so many statements have been made that could equally have been made of Hitler or Stalin. Martin Luther King said that he would never celebrate or take joy in the death of an enemy. Frankly, I can't say that I am so forgiving, she was the figurehead for an administration that tried to bring the populus back down to the working class plebs who had no say nor interest in what the ruling class did. Her successes are all championed by those with bank balances running into seven, eight, nine and ten figures. The fact that she died at the Ritz hotel clearly shows that she had betrayed her relatively humble roots to grasp towards the upper class a long, long time ago.

I don't hope she rests in peace, I hope death gives her all of the punishment and penance that life never gave her. It is an unpleasant glee I take in her death, but I can't imagine anyone else dying that would trigger the same emotions.

I'd heard some bad things said about Thatcher here in the States, mainly said by liberals here who didn't like her close association with then President Reagan. I didn't have a clue that she was so loathed by her own countrymen. Now I don't feel so bad about despising Hillary "rodman" Clinton, who may run for U.S. president in 2016 and/or when Comrade Dingle-Barry finishes his 2nd term.

yeah I've got some US friends who just don't understand why she's so hated and talked about not being petty....hmmm no. They have no idea.

I don't believe most Americans (including me) know much about what goes on with British politics. To be honest, it's confusing, and I don't understand it. I suppose this will make you laugh, I liked Tony Blair and never understood why he seemed so hated. (not that I cared)
As for Maggie T, I always thought her husband was a dope, I can't say I disliked her, but I can understand some of the reasons why Brits wouldn't like her after reading this thread.

I think Blair and Obama share the trait that the people bought in to the idea that they were something different and that lost the trust of the people. Blair whilst appealing to 'New Labour' was someone who had plenty more in common with thatcher...and let's not get started on his biggest conjob with the war in Iraq.
It's harder to pass polarized law in the US than over here, just how your system is set up.
People were lied to. We know all politicians do it

British politics seem far more complicated then what we have here in the States, i'm sure however if you've lived in the UK most of your life, politics are old hat.
As for political and social issues here in the States, I know all about that. Thanks mostly to "liberals", this country has been on a fast track down the toilet the last 25+ years.

What policies and politicians do you think are responsible for this fast track down the toilet you speak of?

[Kirkland Laing]

I think Thatcher has a better reputation in the US b/c she is often paired with Reagan in our culture. I knew from reading this board that UK citizens were not as impressed but I didn't realize how polarizing she was and how bitter the hatred was.

Wait til Carter dies...THEN the celebration begins

While an abject failure I don't think his tenure was long enough to warrant a big reaction. Him and Ford are kind of after thoughts.

Jimmy Carter was a strong, principled leader. Far more so than any of the guys who followed him.

[Kirkland Laing]

Packing yourself with the hurd wont wash with me young Miss. You listing what she is responsible for gave nothing more than Ive read umpteen times over the last few days. Would it make you feel any better if I elaborated on the points Ive tentatively made and asked for a response on? Would it make you feel better if I said she sold off dying services and let wounded industries die? I doubt it.

I'd rather be politically reatarded to be honest. The one thing worse than knowing nothing. Pretending you know something.

Gas, electric, water and telecoms aren't ever going to be "dying" services. They're essential services. And they used to cost buttons compared to what they cost now. Now you pay for the cost of the utility plus a whacking and ever-increasing wedge on top in profit.

Closing the pits and the shipyards/steelworks etc. was going to have to happen at some point. It was going to cause hell at some point too.But the way it was handled, and then to do absolutely nothing for the areas that were devastated wasjust unforgiveably bas from whichever angle you look at it, political, economic, humanitarian etc.

[VictorCharlie]

I wouldn't describe him as strong or principled but regardless still an abject failure.

[Kirkland Laing]

I wouldn't describe him as strong or principled but regardless still an abject failure.

He could have invaded Iran -- the GOP, most of the media and a lot of Democrats were screaming at him to do it -- after the revolution. It would have guaranteed him a second term but he chose not to as it would have been a long term disaster even worse than Iraq was.

He could have kept interest rates low and that would have given him a second term too. All previous prezzes who struggled with inflation, LBJ, Nixon and For dofr instance, had the Fed chair cut rates before elections to make sure they got re-elected even though this fucked the economy long term,. Carter actually appointed a Fed chair he knew would crank up interest rates to whatever needed to end inflation once and for all, and he went into the election campaign with rates heading for 20%.

No subsequent president ( or any of the guys preceeding him in the modern era) would have done either of those things. Either one would have cost Carter a second term, but the guy had the courage to do what was right for the country even though he knew he was committing political suicide.

[VictorCharlie]

Cool story but lets not derail the stirring debate over Thatcher.

[Master]

Just read that Thatcher supporters have said they are happy that people have reacted negatively towards her because she saw it as evidence that she had won.

This shows you the mindset of the people we are dealing with. They have no moral concern/understanding about the pain, stress and hurt they caused families and communities. Her attitude towards people less off or different to her was that they were beneath her and that philosophy and impact is still felt today.

The more I think about it the more of a bitch she was.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Packing yourself with the hurd wont wash with me young Miss. You listing what she is responsible for gave nothing more than Ive read umpteen times over the last few days. Would it make you feel any better if I elaborated on the points Ive tentatively made and asked for a response on? Would it make you feel better if I said she sold off dying services and let wounded industries die? I doubt it.

I'd rather be politically reatarded to be honest. The one thing worse than knowing nothing. Pretending you know something.

Gas, electric, water and telecoms aren't ever going to be "dying" services. They're essential services. And they used to cost buttons compared to what they cost now. Now you pay for the cost of the utility plus a whacking and ever-increasing wedge on top in profit.

Closing the pits and the shipyards/steelworks etc. was going to have to happen at some point. It was going to cause hell at some point too.But the way it was handled, and then to do absolutely nothing for the areas that were devastated wasjust unforgiveably bas from whichever angle you look at it, political, economic, humanitarian etc.

Thing is there was such a short term view with closing any industry esp/when years later they realised we're held randsom to other countries importing coal/oil/gas to the UK.
There was nothing in place for the skilled labour market to move on to.
British rail for example for years had no proper investment. They sell it off, prices go up & continue to do so & services get cut. An integrated public transport service? Impossible when you've sold it off.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Just read that Thatcher supporters have said they are happy that people have reacted negatively towards her because she saw it as evidence that she had won.

This shows you the mindset of the people we are dealing with. They have no moral concern/understanding about the pain, stress and hurt they caused families and communities. Her attitude towards people less off or different to her was that they were beneath her and that philosophy and impact is still felt today.

The more I think about it the more of a bitch she was.

when an Aussie calls you racist
BBC News - Margaret Thatcher 'racist' - Australian minister Bob Carr

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah but yeah but yeah but yeah but

[Dia bando]

Just read that Thatcher supporters have said they are happy that people have reacted negatively towards her because she saw it as evidence that she had won.

This shows you the mindset of the people we are dealing with. They have no moral concern/understanding about the pain, stress and hurt they caused families and communities. Her attitude towards people less off or different to her was that they were beneath her and that philosophy and impact is still felt today.

The more I think about it the more of a bitch she was.

Old bitch was a member of Ted Heaths Tory cabinet, when the Miners got the Torys , in the 70's
what did she get her revenge. We were industrial giants, now the land of supermarkets , and
wanker bankers.